(versi Bahasa Malaysia di akhir artikel ini)
1. I must congratulate the Government of Dato' Seri Abdullah Badawi for allowing the debate between the Opposition and the Government, specifically between Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim and Dato Shabery Cheek.
2. It was not an even match. Shabery is far too inexperienced in a field that Anwar excels i.e. talking. The subject naturally puts the Government on the defensive.
3. Shabery's reference to what Anwar said about me in the past undermined Anwar's credibility somewhat. But it was obvious that Shabery was nervous.
1. I must congratulate the Government of Dato' Seri Abdullah Badawi for allowing the debate between the Opposition and the Government, specifically between Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim and Dato Shabery Cheek.
2. It was not an even match. Shabery is far too inexperienced in a field that Anwar excels i.e. talking. The subject naturally puts the Government on the defensive.
3. Shabery's reference to what Anwar said about me in the past undermined Anwar's credibility somewhat. But it was obvious that Shabery was nervous.
4. As I said, Anwar can be convincing in his arguments especially with those who want to believe in him. The Western Press has already concluded that this accusation against Anwar is the same old political plot to prevent him from becoming the Prime Minister.
5. The last time it was I who was the prime mover. Dato' Seri Abdullah has denied he is involved this time, but the Western Press and the American friends of Anwar will not be convinced and will not let him get off the hook.
6. Yet can it be that the present Government is so stupid and unimaginative as to use the same "ploy", especially after it was so happy over the release of Anwar? Surely it could come up with another story which would be more credible if it is deliberately plotting or conspiring against Anwar. The probability is that the story is the same because it is genuine.
7. Is the present complainant a copycat? Hardly likely. Few would care to make public such a very shameful thing as being sodomised. In fact, the last time at least two people came to see me claiming they were sodomised by Anwar. But they were unwilling to make a report or be witnesses in court. One of them, however, did see the imam of Masjid Negara (now Member of Parliament for PAS), to seek advise on the religious angle.
8. There are certain habits which are not easy to be rid off. Habitual smokers will tell you that. So will drug addicts.
9. It is of course up to the courts to decide i.e. if this case finally reaches the court. The court may find Anwar guilty. In which case he would appeal to even higher courts and even to special courts, which can be set up for him.
10. If he could make out that Saiful is a willing partner, then as in the case of Azizan, Saiful's claims would not be regarded as proof beyond doubt. Anwar would be let off.
11. Anwar has practically refused to swear on the Quran on his claim to be innocent. But Saiful is quite willing to do so in a mosque witnessed by religious people.
12. But a certain Mufti is opposed to this. If a person is innocent why shouldn't he swear and clear his name.
13. The reference made to "qazaf" or malediction is a red herring. It is a threat levelled at the accuser that if he cannot provide the necessary witnesses then he can be accused of "fitnah" and punished by whipping.
14. There is in the Quran a lot of stress on justice. Repeatedly (at least 43 verses), the Quran enjoins that "when ye judge, judge with justice".
15. The syariah is not just about the procedures when making judgement and the punishment that is to be meted out. The syariah laws are meant to ensure that justice is done. It would be invidious if the victim is punished (because he cannot find four witnesses to the act) while the assailant is let off scott-free. It would be a gross injustice. It cannot be that Islamic Law disregards justice and is only concerned with trial and punishment.
16. In the Quran it is related that Zulaikha who was infatuated with the Prophet Yusof was considered to be chasing after Yusof because Yusof's shirt was torn at the back.
17. Clearly the Quran accepts circumstantial evidence even if unverified by witnesses. This is because Islam places a high value on justice. The processes involved in making a judgement is in order to achieve justice. The processes cannot be invoked in order to spike justice.
18. So Anwar should not try to escape justice by involving qazaf. He may try to do it with man made laws but he should not use the laws of Allah to achieve injustice. It is not Islamic and it is sinful.
5. The last time it was I who was the prime mover. Dato' Seri Abdullah has denied he is involved this time, but the Western Press and the American friends of Anwar will not be convinced and will not let him get off the hook.
6. Yet can it be that the present Government is so stupid and unimaginative as to use the same "ploy", especially after it was so happy over the release of Anwar? Surely it could come up with another story which would be more credible if it is deliberately plotting or conspiring against Anwar. The probability is that the story is the same because it is genuine.
7. Is the present complainant a copycat? Hardly likely. Few would care to make public such a very shameful thing as being sodomised. In fact, the last time at least two people came to see me claiming they were sodomised by Anwar. But they were unwilling to make a report or be witnesses in court. One of them, however, did see the imam of Masjid Negara (now Member of Parliament for PAS), to seek advise on the religious angle.
8. There are certain habits which are not easy to be rid off. Habitual smokers will tell you that. So will drug addicts.
9. It is of course up to the courts to decide i.e. if this case finally reaches the court. The court may find Anwar guilty. In which case he would appeal to even higher courts and even to special courts, which can be set up for him.
10. If he could make out that Saiful is a willing partner, then as in the case of Azizan, Saiful's claims would not be regarded as proof beyond doubt. Anwar would be let off.
11. Anwar has practically refused to swear on the Quran on his claim to be innocent. But Saiful is quite willing to do so in a mosque witnessed by religious people.
12. But a certain Mufti is opposed to this. If a person is innocent why shouldn't he swear and clear his name.
13. The reference made to "qazaf" or malediction is a red herring. It is a threat levelled at the accuser that if he cannot provide the necessary witnesses then he can be accused of "fitnah" and punished by whipping.
14. There is in the Quran a lot of stress on justice. Repeatedly (at least 43 verses), the Quran enjoins that "when ye judge, judge with justice".
15. The syariah is not just about the procedures when making judgement and the punishment that is to be meted out. The syariah laws are meant to ensure that justice is done. It would be invidious if the victim is punished (because he cannot find four witnesses to the act) while the assailant is let off scott-free. It would be a gross injustice. It cannot be that Islamic Law disregards justice and is only concerned with trial and punishment.
16. In the Quran it is related that Zulaikha who was infatuated with the Prophet Yusof was considered to be chasing after Yusof because Yusof's shirt was torn at the back.
17. Clearly the Quran accepts circumstantial evidence even if unverified by witnesses. This is because Islam places a high value on justice. The processes involved in making a judgement is in order to achieve justice. The processes cannot be invoked in order to spike justice.
18. So Anwar should not try to escape justice by involving qazaf. He may try to do it with man made laws but he should not use the laws of Allah to achieve injustice. It is not Islamic and it is sinful.
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DEBAT ANWAR
1. Saya harus mengucapkan tahniah kepada Kerajaan pimpinan Dato' Seri Abdullah Badawi kerana membenarkan debat antara Pembangkang dan Kerajaan, khususnya antara Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim dan Dato' Shabery Cheek.
2. Ia bukanlah satu pertandingan yang adil. Shabery sangat kurang pengalaman didalam bidang yang mana Anwar adalah jaguh iaitu bercakap. Perkara yang didebatkan pula sudah pasti meletakkan Kerajaan didalam keadaan tertekan.
3. Apabila Shabery menimbulkan apa yang telah dikatakan oleh Anwar mengenai saya pada masa lampau, ianya telah sedikit sebanyak menjejaskan kredibiliti Anwar. Tetapi adalah jelas bahawa Shabery gementar.
4. Sebagaimana yang saya katakan, Anwar boleh meyakinkan terutama kepada mereka yang mahu mempercayainya. Media Barat telah membuat kesimpulan bahawa tuduhan terhadap Anwar kali ini adalah sama dengan agenda politik yang lama yang dibuat untuk menghalangnya menjadi Perdana Menteri.
5. Pada masa lalu saya adalah sasaran utama. Dato' Seri Abdullah telah menafikan pembabitannya kali ini tetapi media Barat dan teman-teman Anwar dari Amerika tidak dapat diyakinkan dan akan terus mengaitkan Abdullah.
6. Tetapi, adakah Kerajaan sekarang sebegitu bodoh dan tidak mempunyai daya imaginasi untuk menggunakan "taktik" yang sama terutamanya memandang kepada sikapnya yang kritikal terhadap Kerajaan dahulu? Pastinya ia mampu untuk menggunakan cerita lain yang lebih meyakinkan jika ia memang merancang ataupun berkonspirasi terhadap Anwar. Ada kebarangkalian bahawa ceritanya sama kerana ianya benar.
7. Mungkinkah pihak yang membuat lapuran kali ini seorang yang cuba meniru? Agak mustahil. Tidak ramai yang sanggup kehadapan dan mengumumkan sesuatu yang amat mengaibkan seperti kena liwat. Sebenarnya, dalam peristiwa yang lalu, sekurang-kurangnya dua orang menemui saya dan membuat pengakuan mereka telah diliwat oleh Anwar. Tetapi mereka tidak sanggup membuat lapuran ataupun menjadi saksi dimahkamah. Bagaimanapun, seorang dari mereka telah pergi menemui Imam Masjid Negara (sekarang ini ahli parliamen PAS) untuk mendapatkan nasihat dari sudut agama.
8. Ada beberapa tabiat yang sukar untuk dibuang. Perokok tegar akan menyatakan sedemikian. Begitu juga penagih dadah.
9. Sudah pasti ini tergantung kepada mahkamah untuk menentukan dan inipun jika kes ini akhirnya sampa kemahkamah. Mahkamah mungkin mendapati Anwar bersalah. Dia kemudiannya boleh merayu kepada mahkamah yang lebih tinggi malahan kemahkamah-mahkamah khas yang diadakan untuknya.
10. Jika dia berjaya membuat Saiful kelihatan sebagai pasangan yang rela seperti didalam kes Azizan, maka kenyataan Saiful tidak boleh dianggap sebagai bukti yang tidak dapat dipertikaikan. Anwar akan dibebaskan.
11. Anwar telah menolak untuk bersumpah diatas Quran untuk membuktikan dirinya tidak bersalah. Tetapi Saiful sanggup untuk melakukannya didalam masjid dan disaksikan oleh alim ulamak.
12. Tetapi ada seorang Mufti yang menentang cadangan ini. Jika seseorang itu tidak bersalah mengapa dia tidak boleh bersumpah untuk membersihkan namanya.
13. Menimbulkan isu "qazaf" hanyalah bertujuan untuk megalihkan tumpuan. Ianya satu ugutan terhadap sipenuduh iaitu jika dia tidak dapat mengemukakan saksi-saksi dianya akan dituduh melakukan fitnah dan akan dihukum sebat.
14. Didalam Quran terdapat banyak penekanan terhadap keadilan. Berulangkali (sekurang-kurangnya 43 ayat) didalam Quran menyeru "bila kamu menghukum, hukumlah dengan adil."
15. Syariah itu bukanlah sekadar proses membuat penghakiman dan menjatuhkan hukuman. Undang-undang syariah bertujuan untuk memastikan keadilan dilaksanakan. Akan menjadi satu ketidakadilan jika orang yang menjadi mangsa dihukum (kerana gagal mengemukakan empat orang saksi) manakala orang yang melakukan penganiayaan lepas bebas. Ini adalah satu ketidakadilan yang ketara. Pastinya tidak mungkin undang-undang Islam mengabaikan keadilan dan cuma tumpu kepada perbicaraan dan hukuman.
16. Diriwayatkan didalam Quran mengenai Zulaikha yang cintanya kepada Nabi Yusof dan dianya dipercayai mengejar Yusof kerana baju Yusof koyak dibahagian belakang.
17. Amat jelas Quran menerima bukti-bukti bersandarkan kepada keadaan (circumstantial evidence) walaupun tidak disokong oleh saksi-saksi. Ini kerana Islam meletakkan nilai yang tinggi kepada keadilan. Proses yang diambil didalam membuat sesuatu penghakiman adalah untuk memastikan keadilan tercapai. Proses itu tidak boleh disalahgunakan dan diperalatkan untuk menyekat keadilan.
18. Kerana itu Anwar tidak harus mengelakkan diri dari diadili dengan menimbulkan soal qazaf. Dia mungkin boleh mencuba melakukannya dengan undang-undang buatan manusia tetapi dia tidak harus menggunakan hukum Allah untuk mencapai ketidakadilan. Ianya melanggar lunas Islam dan ini adalah berdosa.
1. Saya harus mengucapkan tahniah kepada Kerajaan pimpinan Dato' Seri Abdullah Badawi kerana membenarkan debat antara Pembangkang dan Kerajaan, khususnya antara Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim dan Dato' Shabery Cheek.
2. Ia bukanlah satu pertandingan yang adil. Shabery sangat kurang pengalaman didalam bidang yang mana Anwar adalah jaguh iaitu bercakap. Perkara yang didebatkan pula sudah pasti meletakkan Kerajaan didalam keadaan tertekan.
3. Apabila Shabery menimbulkan apa yang telah dikatakan oleh Anwar mengenai saya pada masa lampau, ianya telah sedikit sebanyak menjejaskan kredibiliti Anwar. Tetapi adalah jelas bahawa Shabery gementar.
4. Sebagaimana yang saya katakan, Anwar boleh meyakinkan terutama kepada mereka yang mahu mempercayainya. Media Barat telah membuat kesimpulan bahawa tuduhan terhadap Anwar kali ini adalah sama dengan agenda politik yang lama yang dibuat untuk menghalangnya menjadi Perdana Menteri.
5. Pada masa lalu saya adalah sasaran utama. Dato' Seri Abdullah telah menafikan pembabitannya kali ini tetapi media Barat dan teman-teman Anwar dari Amerika tidak dapat diyakinkan dan akan terus mengaitkan Abdullah.
6. Tetapi, adakah Kerajaan sekarang sebegitu bodoh dan tidak mempunyai daya imaginasi untuk menggunakan "taktik" yang sama terutamanya memandang kepada sikapnya yang kritikal terhadap Kerajaan dahulu? Pastinya ia mampu untuk menggunakan cerita lain yang lebih meyakinkan jika ia memang merancang ataupun berkonspirasi terhadap Anwar. Ada kebarangkalian bahawa ceritanya sama kerana ianya benar.
7. Mungkinkah pihak yang membuat lapuran kali ini seorang yang cuba meniru? Agak mustahil. Tidak ramai yang sanggup kehadapan dan mengumumkan sesuatu yang amat mengaibkan seperti kena liwat. Sebenarnya, dalam peristiwa yang lalu, sekurang-kurangnya dua orang menemui saya dan membuat pengakuan mereka telah diliwat oleh Anwar. Tetapi mereka tidak sanggup membuat lapuran ataupun menjadi saksi dimahkamah. Bagaimanapun, seorang dari mereka telah pergi menemui Imam Masjid Negara (sekarang ini ahli parliamen PAS) untuk mendapatkan nasihat dari sudut agama.
8. Ada beberapa tabiat yang sukar untuk dibuang. Perokok tegar akan menyatakan sedemikian. Begitu juga penagih dadah.
9. Sudah pasti ini tergantung kepada mahkamah untuk menentukan dan inipun jika kes ini akhirnya sampa kemahkamah. Mahkamah mungkin mendapati Anwar bersalah. Dia kemudiannya boleh merayu kepada mahkamah yang lebih tinggi malahan kemahkamah-mahkamah khas yang diadakan untuknya.
10. Jika dia berjaya membuat Saiful kelihatan sebagai pasangan yang rela seperti didalam kes Azizan, maka kenyataan Saiful tidak boleh dianggap sebagai bukti yang tidak dapat dipertikaikan. Anwar akan dibebaskan.
11. Anwar telah menolak untuk bersumpah diatas Quran untuk membuktikan dirinya tidak bersalah. Tetapi Saiful sanggup untuk melakukannya didalam masjid dan disaksikan oleh alim ulamak.
12. Tetapi ada seorang Mufti yang menentang cadangan ini. Jika seseorang itu tidak bersalah mengapa dia tidak boleh bersumpah untuk membersihkan namanya.
13. Menimbulkan isu "qazaf" hanyalah bertujuan untuk megalihkan tumpuan. Ianya satu ugutan terhadap sipenuduh iaitu jika dia tidak dapat mengemukakan saksi-saksi dianya akan dituduh melakukan fitnah dan akan dihukum sebat.
14. Didalam Quran terdapat banyak penekanan terhadap keadilan. Berulangkali (sekurang-kurangnya 43 ayat) didalam Quran menyeru "bila kamu menghukum, hukumlah dengan adil."
15. Syariah itu bukanlah sekadar proses membuat penghakiman dan menjatuhkan hukuman. Undang-undang syariah bertujuan untuk memastikan keadilan dilaksanakan. Akan menjadi satu ketidakadilan jika orang yang menjadi mangsa dihukum (kerana gagal mengemukakan empat orang saksi) manakala orang yang melakukan penganiayaan lepas bebas. Ini adalah satu ketidakadilan yang ketara. Pastinya tidak mungkin undang-undang Islam mengabaikan keadilan dan cuma tumpu kepada perbicaraan dan hukuman.
16. Diriwayatkan didalam Quran mengenai Zulaikha yang cintanya kepada Nabi Yusof dan dianya dipercayai mengejar Yusof kerana baju Yusof koyak dibahagian belakang.
17. Amat jelas Quran menerima bukti-bukti bersandarkan kepada keadaan (circumstantial evidence) walaupun tidak disokong oleh saksi-saksi. Ini kerana Islam meletakkan nilai yang tinggi kepada keadilan. Proses yang diambil didalam membuat sesuatu penghakiman adalah untuk memastikan keadilan tercapai. Proses itu tidak boleh disalahgunakan dan diperalatkan untuk menyekat keadilan.
18. Kerana itu Anwar tidak harus mengelakkan diri dari diadili dengan menimbulkan soal qazaf. Dia mungkin boleh mencuba melakukannya dengan undang-undang buatan manusia tetapi dia tidak harus menggunakan hukum Allah untuk mencapai ketidakadilan. Ianya melanggar lunas Islam dan ini adalah berdosa.
assalamualaikum tun...
i'm the first?haha
In my opinion, Anwar is the winner.
Tun and all bloggers,
I did also write something on this. Feel free to visit:
http://nadzrikamsin.blogspot.com/
Dear Tun,
Your comment can be safely concluded that a leopard will never change its spots.
Salam Tun
Saya setuju dengan komen TUN.Teruskan perjuangan TUN,Rakyat perlu tolak Anwar sebagai pemimpin negara ini.
Hah.. i'm d first..
Tun, at last..
however, i would like you to comment on the issue of the debate itself.. i mean, whether DSAI's opinion is relevant or it's just a political promise to win the hearts of Malaysian.. please discuss on the issue..
By the way, i will always love you n respect you..
May ALLAH bless you..
Hi,
I agreed with u Tun, Its a mistake to put Shabbery against Anwar. But then, who else in the current government is brave enough to challenge Anwar openly? Pak Lah? Najib? I think if you are still in the cabinet, you are the best to debate with him
http://nmjnh.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/anwar-menang-debat-dengan-shabery/
Instead of having Shabery vs Anwar debate, maybe it is better to have Anwar vs Saiful debate.
Dear Tun,
Anwar akan terjerat di Mahkamah Syariah. Kenapa Anwar Si Penggila Kuasa ini engkar untuk memberikan contoh DNA nya.
Berani kerana Benar. Seperti yang Tun serukan kepada semua Ketua Cawangan dalam Majlis Penerangan berkaitan isu pemecatan Anwar di PWTC suatu masa dahulu :
"Tuan-tuan baliklah ke Cawangan masing-masing, Lakukan lah Solat Hajat di Masjid Kariah masing-masing dan mohon kepada Allah ...TUNJUKKAN KEBENARAN.."
Dan inilah yang kami lakukan sehingga Allah telah tunjukkan bahawa Tun berada di pihak yang benar.
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Tun,
"It was not an even match. Shabery is far too inexperienced in a field that Anwar excels i.e. talking."
Haha. You could say that again. Rhetorics IS his forte.
By the way Tun, please be careful with your statement. Para 7 above can get you into trouble with the current police state. We don't want you to be dragged to the IPK like some blue blood bloggers recently.
Ybg Tun,
Terima Kasih diatas komen Tun itu.,
Tentang Penjualan MV Agusta, dulu Tun Dan Tengku Mahaleel pernah offer nak beli, barangkali duit Tun Dan Tg Mahaleel tak laku pasal guna RM dan bukan US Dollar itu pasal jual depa kpd org lain, berilah saya information itu kpd saya, saya akan report.
what can be said regarding the debate..
it should be Najib or PM Abdullah...(if they have guts..)
defending the government move/policy..
n hopefully, one day they should invite u Tun..
debate on MV Agusta, Jambatan Bengkok, PM poor leadership etc..
May justice prevail one day.
kepada observer (first poster), jangan kebudak-budakan.
First Round Anwar dah menang. TKO !! Bolehlah Shabery resign. Kualiti perdebatan berbeza sekali seperti langit dengan bumi. Hujah Shabery nyata meleset! Shabery patut letak jawatan seperti mana yang dijanjikan. Janji mesti dikota kalau ada maruah. Kalau tidak ianya di anggap sebagai mungkiri janji dan tidak ada prinsip dan menunjukkan seorang berperibadi HP6.
Yes, it is unanimous Anwar has got the edge in the debate. Rakyat have given Anwar thumbs up. The debate backfired on Pak Lah's haprak and HP6 policy. Anwar got free publicity. kah,kah,kah !! Memang haprak and HP6 budak budak Pak Lah !!
Dear Tun,
Your comments is always enlightening...
Askum Tun,
Anwar sudah tidak menjadi penting lagi kepada kita..apa yang lebih penting ialah keadaan ekonomi dan politik yang semakin tidak stabil.
Saya amat berharap agar Ybg Tun dapat menceburi semula ke dunia politik.
I watched the debate. I'm not a 'fan' of DSAI but it was obvious that Dato Shabery's argument was very weak and as Tun said, just very defensive of the present government and to me, also not conclusive. It was a boring debate because an experienced person like DSAI was matched with an inexperienced YB. DSAI should have been given a chance to perhaps debate with Dato Sharir who takes care of 'naik turun harga barang'.
Salam Tun,
Saya tak berani nak tuduh Anwar meliwat atau tidak. Biarlah mahkamah yang menentukan.
Walau apapun, budaya liwat atau homoseksual memang wujud dalam masyarakat malaysia. Tak kiralah apa kaum sekalipun. Biasanya yang mendorong aktiviti sedemikian saya kira pada mulanya adalah sekadar ingin mencuba. Namun, lama-kelamaan, jadi ketagih pulak macam rokok atau dadah.
Mengingatkan kembali pada zaman persekolahan di sebuah asrama penuh. Kegiatan meliwat boleh dikira sebagai sebahagian daripada aktiviti gelap yang berlaku sama ada secara rela atau paksa. Biasanya, tiada siapapun yang akan mengaku dirinya meliwat atau diliwat. Hatta tertangkap sekalipun !
Jadi, kepada ibu bapa yang mempunyai anak-anak yang tinggal di asrama penuh. Jangan sangka anak gadis anda sahaja yang terancam, anak lelaki anda juga boleh jadi mangsa sebenarnya.
p/s: Anwar, ex-MCKK yek......
Salam Tun.
Sepatutnya biar Paklah yg debat ngan Anuar, sebab dia yg buat keputusan. Biar Paklah terkucil nak jawab sebab dia x reti pasai takbir urus niee. Paklah lah PM yg paling lemah mentadbir negara. Nampak sangat Sabery chek nak cover bos dia yg lembab tu.
In fact after reading a lot of story exist in the blog, i think that anwar sodomize case is a conspircay !!!IF the mongolian can be murdered by top police force and link up with top politician, and all the mogolian data being purge in the immigration department then why cant we believe this sondomize case is frame up by goverment !!! I cant believe a 60 years old guy with back problem can sodomize a 23 years old guy, this is totally a conspiracy !!! is really hummiliate people inteligent !!!! they cant find anythin to frame anwar i guess ,thats why using this plot !!! We cant trust the government anymore because as you say, government cant cheat us all the time !!! If for me to choose between a corrupt governemnt, a cool blood government or anwar government, i think a lot will still support anwar government !!! because as a leader, he is still the best choice now !!!!
Salam, Tun. Pada saya Sabery bukan lawan sebenar Anuar. Anuar lebih bijak utnuk menarik sokongan terhadap beliau dengan tidak menyerang peribadi Sabery.
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Dear Tun,
I find it really hard to distinguish theaterical act to reality nowadays. Sometimes it made me think that everything is a plot from a singular source, ie everybody that seems opposing each other politically is actually working together. It feels like Pepsi and Coke war, where it ended up is both got a big chunk of the profits.
This debate for instance, I doubt that Shabery did see him being slaughtered up there. He is well aware of DSAI repo and well verse of his shallow experience. Why he insisted so much on being up there? I am not sure. I am not even sure if he is on BN side or DSAI side. Anwar political move is based on reformation, reflecting he is the victim of injustice, raised people symphaty and anger. To execute this, he need momentom and the momentom he must maintain. Sodomy case may brought up by him to remind people of the preveious event. Should he won the case, he would easily proclaim innocent and anger will be deflected to you, and Najib as his ultimate rival.
It could also initiated by AAB. That would be for threat elimination of two highly risk individuals to take his post.
It could also initiated from you, to clear your previous lifted accusation against DSAI.
It could be frm Najib to clear his way to the top.
Anyway, what I am trying to say is, everything that happend have so much possibilities of origin and reason. I just want this thing to stop before it further hurt our economy. It is utterly unhealthy. I was suprise even on the roadblock that happen a few days ago, all BN member seems ok with it despite of time loss. We have 365 days a year with much less number of working days and 8 hours per day to fully generate the economy for the year. I despise anybody that think they own country's and people's time and money.
Regards.
http://gelamapisang.blogspot.com/
Point #2 taken with note..
The reason why Dato Shabery Cheek is sent into that 'war-zone' is because the current government has no quality think-tanks.
Someone has to take on the debate and fall flat in which it cannot be the Abdullah nor Najib.
Just imagine Abdullah falling asleep half way through the debate or Najib says 'I Agree, I agree with you, Anwar'
Salam Tun,
Jawapan UMNO D.U terhadap isu yang dibangkitkan Anwar di www.suaradu.com
Tentang kes ini, UMNO D.U berharap polis lebih berhati-hati kerana setiap gerak langkah akan disalah erti.
www.suaradu.com
salam tun
thanks for your comments on the historical debate.
however, it will be even more meaningful if it is the bodowi or najis instead of strawberry
regards and take care always tun
Dear Tun,
1) Are you saying that this story has been concocted?
2) If yes by whom? In my opinion Najib stands the most to lose and hence he's the one behind it.
3) Do you think Khairy aka De Facto Prime Minister has got anything to do with it?
4) Do you think now that RPK has been arrested and the case will go to court that Najib's credibility will be further undermined as RPK has saud he will reveal all if charged?
5) Amid so many uncertainties in Malaysia now, do you think Malaysia is turning or will turn into a country full of CHAOS?
Askm YBBHg TUN,
You've been commenting on lots of issues and now...
on Anwar.
I have to be honest... i have this feeling, deep inside that you've been holding a 'secret' abt Anwar that could not be easily told. It's like a secret which could not be told due to lack of evidence or (Anwar will sue you if you expose this to public).
You've been keeping this for so long and I bet the secret will die inside you forever...
TUN, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN 1998 ???????
IF IT IS TRUE THAT ANWAR INVOLVED IN IMMORAL SEX ACTIVITIES,...
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON ANWAR... FOR LYING TO RAKYAT AND SHAMEFULLY...
TO HIS INNOCENT CHILDREN!!!!!
IF HE WAS BEING FRAMED, THEN....MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US...
Salam and good evening everyone.
I like your comment on this. Simple and concrete. They can send a better person to debate with Anwar. I'm quite ashamed to watch the live debate. Macam tak pernah berdebat je. I think the Government just take for granted on the debate.
Tun, my colleague send his regards to you.
Semoga Tun sihat selalu. Amin.
datuk seri
Saya gagal di dalam temuduga pegawai tadbir dan diplomatik..
saya rasa amat sedih dan sehingga sekarang saya masih lagi berfikir mengapa saya gagal di dalam temuduga tersebut.. adakah ini kerana dasar kerajaan yang menaikkan umur pesaraan sehingga 58 mengebabkan ramai golongan tidak dapat pekerjaan..universiti semakin banyak dibina sedangkan peluang pekerjaan semakin sedikit.. bila ditanya kepada kerajaan maka kerajaan suruh jadi petani.. cam amat tidak logik... kalau camtu baik suruh bukak satu sekolah pertanian pastu meraka ini akan jadi pertanian selepas grad..
From wat i see, anwar is giving facts with number and how is the solution to find way to reduce the oil price , but the BN idiot never show when the money save after oil price increase, where is our government use to??
BN idiot only recall the past memory for us, but now is 2008 , not 1974 or 1997, past tense is past tense.. now we going for 2020 not turning back..
Thats why BN is not so successful now becoz they always try to think and turn back to 13 mei, 1974, 1980, 1998 or 1997, I HAVE TO REMIND tht we are in 2008 now, we left 12 yrs for 2020 !!!!
WAKE UP BN!!!!
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Yang Amat Dihormati Tun,
To me he is just an another addicts with a different category.
Tun,
Kalau Pak Lah yang debat dengan Anwar Si Penggila Kuasa tu.. Jawapan Pak Lah mesti..... I DONT KNOW... I DONT KNOW.... I DONT KNOW...
Apa yang dia tahu...
tun, please provide your translation in Bahasa Melayu as not many malaysian understand queen's english of yours. Nevertheless, "these smart people in malaysian" still insist to revert your idea of teaching science and maths from the current medium of english to bm again.I look forward to your articulate comments on this matter.
Shabery was no match to Anwar. He was inexperience, nervous, inadequate and lacked of factual evidence to support his arguments. It was a pity that he was chosen to represent the government for that so-called unprecedented event. Should have been someone more seasoned in the politics to go against DSAI.
The debate was in fact "Indah khabar dari rupa". Most of the questions are left unanswered; or very vagued answers given.
It was a let down.
As with international law...a person is innocent unless proven guilty. If the law cannot convict then so be it. No amount of speculations will bring about the truth.
dearest unreplaceble tun,
the barisan people should leave their ego at the door steps and let tun handle all extreme matter by TDM. we loose so many things lately, from the beginning of the s'pore bridge till all the crap now. the rakyat looses most.. as for the oil factor, the americans and british have earned their investment in iraq. as for the haque justification, they can't even voice out the crimes against palestine..
as for the debate, if they so brave enough (BN), why don they invite honorably TDM in the debate?
can we stop this day and nightmare? please help us TDM
suppie
".....If he could make out that Saiful is a willing partner......"
This is the part that is troubling me. Saiful claims that Anwar sodomised him 8 times. If indeed it is true that he was sodomised by Anwar, he must be a willing partner because I cannot see how a well built 23 year old man could be sodomised by a 60 year old man with a bad back. And not once but 8 times!! I find this hard to believe.
My conclusion, either Saiful is not telling the truth or he is a willing partner. If so, why is he reporting this now and not after say, the first two times but instead allowed it to happen several times more even though he disagrees with it?
sepatutnya Pak Lah hantar KJ berdebat dengan Anwar ...
Dear Tun...
Your comment is much on anwar not on the debate..hopely Tun ..Anwar sudah tidak menjadi penting lagi kepada kita ( biarlah siluncai terjun dengan labu-labunya)....apa yang penting sekarang ialah untuk membela bangsa dan negara..serta cucu cicit kita dimasa akan datang demi negara yang tercinta...
Kita perlu pulangkan balik keadaan diMalaysia semasa zaman Tun dahulu dan menstabilkan ekonomi negara terutama kesempitan rakyat yang rasanya susah nak ditelankan kepahitannya...
Apa kata mereka...mereka tak beli bawang..mereka tak beli minyak....mereka tak beli pun beras....apa yang mereka tau..cuma mereka tahu nak kekayaan yang ada...buat hak mereka..
Hopely Tun...please comment on the debate ..
salam sejahtera...
Jangan biarkan rakyat berubah menjadi Hang Jebat yang tidak pedulikan undang-undang, jasa-jasa pemimpin dan tidak lagi bersyukur. Jika rakyat jadi seperti ini jangan salahkan rakyat sebab ia berpunca daripada pemimpin sendiri yang mengajar mereka memberontak seperti mana pemimpin sekarang yang suka bergaduh, tuduh-menuduh atau bermusuh..
Assalamualaikum TUN,
Pada pendapat saya, debat tersebut sepatutnya menjurus kepada isu penurunan minyak melalui langkah dan kaedah yang sepatutnya mengikut keadaan semasa, apa yang DSAI utarakan ada betulnya, tetapi usul yang diutarakan lebih menjurus kepada kepentingan parti beliau, "Hari Ini Bentuk Kerajaan, Esok Minyak Turun Harga",..Saya merasakan, tak kira kerajaan apa sekalipun di Malaysia ini, kerajaan sepatutnya mencari langkah langkah yang lebih berkesan untuk membendung kenaikan minyak,..Isu subsidi dan sebagainya, telah lali didengari oleh rakyat,...Kerajaan BN patut melakukan sesuatu, mengekalkan subsidi, mengekalkan harga minyak (tak kisah la petrol, diesel dan sebagainya),dan melakukan penjimatan daripada membuat projek mega yang setengah jalan dan tak jadi-jadi,...Sayaanak jati Sarawal tetapi saya kecewa bila melihat, rakyat Sarawak dan Sabah membuta tuli menyokong DSAAB setelah beliau memberi gula-gula kepada mereka dan mereka percaya, dengan memberi gula gula ini, kehidupan mereka akan lebih baik. Tetapi sekarang kerajaan banyak melakukan pembaziran. Isunya, betul ke Pak Lah akan belanja berbillion untuk Sabah dan Sarawak kalau duit dah tak ada?
Happy Belated Birthday Tun!
Couldn't agree with you more. Shabery kept on bringing up Petronas while Anwar was talking about IPP. To me they were not in sync. But maybe I was the one that misunderstood?
As for muhabalah, I for one already fed-up with Anwar's sandiwara. Why doesn't he JUST DO IT to clear his name once & for all if he is not guilty? Then we can close the case & move on to address more important issues. Bravo to Saiful for having the courage to bring the matter up & for his willingness to bermuhabalah.
Enough of road blocks please. The rakyats just want to live in peace. Nothing is more frustrating than be caught in traffic jam. We are working in global environment. Malu la when we missed our meetings with colleagues outside of this country because of road blocks jam! Maybe the Ministers can try it one of this days - instead of travelling with police convoy to clear the way.
For Anwar's supporters - please stop all these street demonstrations. You are making our lovely country look like Palestine & Iraq.
Dear Ayahnda Tun CheDet,
I just love your double entendre! You chose to elaborate about the real 'Anwar Debate' - the one that goes "did he or didn't he?" - the one that will dog him all his life. :D
Yup, people will always wonder if DSAI's prowess at tackling callow youth is as good as, or perhaps even better than, tackling callow politician.
Salam Tun and chedet.com fan...
Totally correct...
Anwar Ibrahim VS Shabery Cheek,
Macam Anwar berdebat dengan budak sekolah tabika je...
Tengok si Shabery tu pun dah ke'cheek' semacam je masa tu...
Take care Tun....
Why would anyone ever want to use the same ploy to bring Anwar down? I totally agree with Tun when you say it's totally stupid and unimaginative of the Government to use the same ploy..
I was really sceptical when the first time it happened in 1998. How could someone who claims to be religous and is a president of an Islamic organisation be doing such things? As much as I would want to believe Anwar is innocent, the more I read the newspapers and seeing the news is making me believe more and more (that Anwar is guilty). And looking at him everyday in the news makes me sick...uweeekkkkk
There were claims that in the previous case (in 1998) that the people who where sodomised were paid a huge sum of money to come out with such a story.
Would you want to claim to be sodomised and be awarded...let's say RM 10 million?
I wouldn't....awwwwww
Asalammualikum Tun
Anwar brahim ni dah kena getah!!!
Saya yakin dan tidak ragu-ragu sememangnya Anwar brahim ni melakukan LIWAT
Saya tidak peduli sama ada secara paksaan ataupun kerelaan!!!
Pucuk pangkalnya Anwar brahim ni memang meliwat!!!
Suruh Bersumpah taknak!!!
Perjelaskan isu pi condo saiful tak nak!!!
Kenapa bawak saiful pi luar negara tak nak!!!
sekarang ni DNA air mani pun tak nak!!!
APA KES???
Berita terbaru dalam Malaysia Kini Anwar brahim ni cakap dibogelkan semasa pemeriksaan!!!http://malaysiakini.com/news/86280
Apa Kerajaan kita ni suka hati ke nak bogelkan orang???
Anwar brahim dah kena getah!!! MELEKAT!!!
Sekarang nak bagi penyokong dia memberontak pulak!!!
Saya harap penyokong Anwar brahim ni sedar lah sememangnya Anwar memang MELIWAT!!!
SEDARLAH SEGALA-GALANYA HANYALAH UNTUK KEPENTINGAN ANWAR BRAHIM SEMATA-MATA!!!
RAKYAT DIPAKSA UNTUK MENGHURU HARAKAN KETENTERAMAN MALAYSIA!!!
SUDAH TERBUKTI SEMEMANGNYA TUN DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD TIDAK MENGANIAYA ANWAR BRAHIM PADA 1998!!!
Tun,
Everyone who believe in the truth know Anwar did it....
Just sad that his wife and children are blinded by the truth....or maybe just trying to ignore it..... never thought that their father will not lied to them for his own sexual satisfaction....
What a joke!!!!.....This family is making noise all over the world to make justice on the freedom of sexuality....homosexuality among western corrupted christian priests is well known......He gonna making a plea on them to support him !!!!!
In here, we have corrupted politician (DAP) who only ambition is to destroy the malay power base by ignoring the truth....Karpal Singh know the truth but hide his feeling coz he wanted to shame the malay (especially the bisexual Anwar Ibrahim).....Political mileage for him ....What a Joker....Karpal Singh is the head of Malaysian Lawyers Jokers....no wonder the number of non bumi lawyers jokers is increasing....
Salam Tun,
For fellow bloggers, think deeply before you throw your thoughts and comments or condemning Tun here. Let you’re writing speaks in its perspective and so not to attack Tun's personal. Please argue on the subject matter and within the context. Let it be for knowledge argument. For that, others may obtain some ‘ilmu’ from it.
Purely, It just his views. Of course other Alim Ulama or others have their views as well. That's Islam and the beautiful of its being. Simply because we don’t have our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW with us now to put ultimatum on this particular event.
And you Tun, will be respected more and more everyday.
Just my 2 cents view
Salam Tun,
I admit that I have never been fond of DSAI even when he was your DPM.
During the Reformasi, I was one of those who could be said to be a hardcore Dr M supporter, as i still am. Warts and all, I still think you did what you had for the good of the country and be damned for it.
This is sadly lacking in any of the main players todate. Not DSAI, not Abdullah, not Najib. I do not know of Muhyiddin, Ku Li or any other contenders (Are there any, truth be told?)
Whether or not DSAI is a sodomiser, I would not know, but judging from his reactions to the complaint, it seems plausible that he has not learnt.
You are right about habits, Tun. You should know as even you have some really bad habit (continuing your tirade against perceived and real mismanagement of the country when you should be resting at home is one...:) ).
DSAI should have kept himself at arms length from potential Trojan Horses the likes of his complainant. Looking at his background, this is a young man who is very impressed with power and you know where this road leads.
As to the debate, I believe you would have made a much better debater than Shabery. Poor chap was clearly off his mark, but kudos for his bravery though. Doubt is Najib or Abdullah would have taken DSAI on.
A query Tun: How do you keep yourself from feeling sick that the government doesn't seem to listen to any of our grouses? All we keep getting is rethoric or half baked responses. I know I am sick to the core.
Has the majority of the BN MPs lost their soul, Tun? You hardkly hear a peep from them on things that you and all others have been raising all along.
Where are we headed, Tun, as a country?
We no longer stand alongside Giants liek Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Singapore.
We are now too dependent on commodities. Just like the old days, dak, Tun? When these goes, the country would be hardpressed to get its income. What do we do then? Makan sayur tanam sendiri?
We are now proud of being better than Zimbabwe, Rwanda. That is the sad state we are in today.
I am fearful of my children's future is nothing changes and we continue in our downward spiral to oblivion.
Salam, Tun and God Bless.
Sepatutnya KJ yang debat ngan si Anwar nih..tapi nak wat camna depa satu gang..maleh nak layan orang politik...menjawablah korang...kat depan tuhan yang memang dah confirm korang jumpa...debat ni hanya merugikan orang melayu...penduduk asal TANAH MELAYU...
Salam Tun,
Tolong Beri Komen tentang perniagaan eMLM piramid yang menggunakan nama syarikat DCHL(R2 Corp. & SYN Network) dengan Produknya Lampe Berger, Yang Laen, Estebel, Ed Pinaud dan SPA.
Perniagaan Utama Syarikat DCHL adalah skim cepat kaya yang menarik pelabur muda untuk melabur 10k-36k seorang dan menjanjikan pulangan yang lumayan dengan hanya mencari pelabur yang baru.
Saya sangat "blur" dan perlukan komen dari TUN kerana syarikat ini mendapat sokongan dari kerajaan DSAAB, Bank negara, Bank-bank......
The problem with you & government is, both cannot give a solid evidence against anwar.
Kalaulah ada, macam kes rasuah zaid ibrahim, isa samad, muhammad2
taib, kes2 yg jelas, terang lagi bersuluh, dan pastinya akan kuranglah yg menyokong anwar.
Lama dia dalam kerajaan, tak kan tak jumpa. Pikir punya pikir, takder
cara lain, so, liwat jer lah. Yg ni tak payah evidence. Dan, penyokong dia, akan terus meyokong orang yg dizalimi secara besungguh-sungguh.
Pada masa yg sama, orang yg terang jahat, masih diberi penghormatan
oleh kerajaan.
Kalau nak tangkap staff yg pecah amanah kat opis, cukup senang. Kejap
mamat tu photostat IC, minah tu call boyfriend etc etc. Lama dia dalam kerajaan, tak kan tak jumpa.
Assalamualaikum....
Tun,
Semoga kita semua didalam lindungan Allah...
Amin.....
Dear Tun and readers,
As it is once said in Rome ‘du pain et des jeux’ (having breads and games). In my opinion regardless if it is true whether one was sodomized or not, and by whom is not as important as the ‘future’ of Malaysia.
Here, we need to clearly distinguish between ‘politik’ and what the rakyat want. In this case a realistic and pragmatic plan/vision/progress to bring our Tanahair out of the ‘rut’ and bring it to the next level.
Nevertheless, I am not advocating that it is not important to have a reliable/trustworthy leader but rather it is as important to have a ‘real’ plan to back this up. We should spend equal energy and time to work on this plan than all the ‘gossip/politik’ around some one sex life and whether he lied or not….
Rakyat, don’t let this distract us for the crux of the matter…that is to get the best deal for our tanahair regardless the colour or origin.
Content and Character ….one cannot do without the other and don’t let them tell you otherwise.
Yours respectfully,
Denny
Dalam perdebatan tersebut nyata pihak kerajaan kalah teruk. Sabery langsung tidak berupaya melawan Anuar. Budak sekolah pun tahu cara Sabery berdebat masih mentah.Anuar bagaikan seekor harimau meratah ratah daging arnab. Walaupun saya bukan penyokong anuar, tetapi saya akui anuar menang dalam perdebatan itu.
Askum Tun,
Apa yg Tun cakap memang betul. Shabery Chik bercakap macam budak sekolah, cakap tak guna fakta tapi guna emosi.Tapi sekurang-kurangnya dia 10 kali lagi baik darpd Pak lah. Paklah cakap macam budak darjah enam. hehehe.
Salam TUN....
Katanya politik skarang smakin matang. Ada buat debat kunun2nya nak lebih telus. Dah org tu kata nak datang IPK KL bagi statement, tunggu je la. Tapi kena 'angkut' jugak. Apebenda la diorang ni. Ni la yang rakyat makin benci & bebulu je dgn REGIM Pak DOLLAH ni. Kasi la org tu peluang utk pertahankan diri dia. Apapun teruskan perjuangan dan penulisanmu Yg Amat DiKasihi Ayahanda TDM penyelamat bangsa Malaysia. Jaga kesihatan & terus sejahtera hendaknya. AMIN.
Tun,
DSAI mastered the theaterical part in communication but not Shabery. But I still feel inspite of been an underdog he could delivered facts well. Congratulations!. Tan Sri from UU was a bit shabby and not able to play his role well defending Shabby or Government. DSAI if he claimed he is responsible to the people, he could help the people by not having demos or riots because the ordinary rakyat has to pay the costs of his actions. Discourse or discourses could be meaningful course in future. The lesson I learnt from this exercise is that if I would like to be a politician theatre studies is a must to master.
Assalamualaikum Tun,
Memang benar bak kata Tun,sesetengah tabiat memang sukar atau tak boleh ditinggalkan langsung. Tetapi tabiat yg di bincang ni terlalu jijik untuk dibandingkan dengan merokok. adalah lebih baik disamakan dengan Anjing yg makan tahi.
Dari sejarah yg kita lalui thn 1998, kita tau, orang ni memang susah nak di sabitkan kesalahannya, dia pandai menepis dan menghalakan tempiasnya kena pada org lain. kalau pun disabitkan kesalahan kelak penyokong-penyokong fanatiknya akan sanggup buat apa jua dari BELAKANG utk menidakkannya.
Kalau benar Anwar tak tikam belakang saiful, kenapa tak sambut jer cabaran untuk bersumpah dihadapan Quran.
Semuga Allah tunjukkan kebenaran dan jauhkan orang-orang yang berdosa besar ini dari menjadi pemimpin kepada Negara, Bangsa dan Ugama.
Semuga Allah juga memberi rahmat dan hidayat kepada Tun,
jagalah kesihatan Tun, Negara dan Bangsa masih memerlukan Tun.
tun din't give a lengthy comments regarding the debate and i'm sure because there's nothing much to look into it.it is solely a political move to gain popularity among malaysian.regarding the sodomy claimed by saiful,i'm unsure whether it's true but for me,anwar's action by seeking help and attention from other countries especially united states(an arrogant government and war criminal) is totally unacceptable.anwar's action clearly shows that he is willing to badmouth his own country for personal interest.this is not an act of patriotism and furthemore for an individual who wants to be a leader for this country.but yet,some of our fellow malaysian are still supporting him and even worst,believed in him to govern malaysia.
just think about this,United states envied our country because malaysia is a developing country governed by moslem with a strong economical growth.anwar can be their tool to take control of our country just like what they did to UAE,kuwait,jordan and many other moslems country.
Tun,
Boleh komen mengenai video yang tersebar di youtube (tidak silap saya, rakaman di buat di Kelab Darul Ehsan), di mana kenyataan Tun di dalam rakaman itu menunjukkan seolah-olah Tun yang memerangkap DSAI dengan dakwaan2 palsu yang menyebabkan DSAI merengkok dalam penjara?
Jika benar pun Saiful diliwat oleh Anwar, tidak kah dia ada kudrat untuk melawan DSAI yang mana lebih tua daripadanya atau pun ini perbuatan suka sama suka?
Dear TDM,
"Yet can it be that the present Government is so stupid and unimaginative as to use the same "ploy", especially after it was so happy over the release of Anwar? Surely it could come up with another story which would be more credible if it is deliberately plotting or conspiring against Anwar."
I think this tells it all ... read between the lines !!!!
The act can only be done if both consented to it. Otherwise it is impossible. By simply sitting down, nothing can happen !!!! an old man of 62 and young 'mule' of 23 ... ha ha ha.
May you have good health always ...
Salam Tun,
I salute you Tun. You are a true hero. Point no 14-18 really gave me goose bump. You sounded like a Mufti. In fact better than certain politically inclined Mufti.
Anwar is guilty in my eyes. Yet we have to wait for the case to be heard in court. However, base on the first case, I am more convinced that Anwar is guilty. Old habit die hard.
Thank You Tun. May Allah bless you.
Sepatutnya debate tu letak Che Det vs Anwar. Baru kena buku dengan ruas.
Salam Berbahgia Tun,
I don't think Sabery was personal on Anwar. He was just saying that Anwar did not do anything when he was in the government. He was not with the rakyat when he was in; but now when he is out he wants to be with the rakyat. I still remember the interest rate gone up as high as 16%, and I have had to default on the housing loan for my house. Did he think about the rakyat then?
With regard to the sodomy charges, I think Anwar should take the Islamic oath and give his DNA and finish off the case. Did he not realise that he is making the rakyat suffers by making the country instable?
A good muslim, would not let personal ambition to jeopardise a nation.
It is difficult to prove sodomy.Thus Annuar should be freed so that he can concentrate on his political comeback.We want him so that he can expose all the weaknesses of past leaders (including him)and build a new Malaysia.UMNO and BN had learnt a lesson and so in future they will lead properly.A Malaysia without an effective alternative government will see ruin because corruption,nepotism and cronism will be prevalent.
Dear Tun yang amat-amat-amat di Hormati,
Pernah terdengar satu pendapat orang lama, jika sesebuah kerajaan itu membenarkan musuhnya (pembangkangnya) memasuki medianya, memasuki cabang informasinya (tv,radio,akhbar, dll) maka kerajaan itu telah BERJAYA MEMUSNAHKAN ORGANISASINYA SENDIRI tanpa perlu pembangkang tersebut bertindak menyerangnya secara kebiasaan (medan politik/peti undi) ....
Jadi Tun, pada hemat saya, sebagai seorang rakyat yang hanya sekerdil anak semut pada pandangan mata kerajaan, saya amat tidak bersetuju dengan apa yang kerajaan abDolah lakukan demi mendabik dada mengaku bahawa MEREKA KERAJAAN TELUS BERBANDING SEBELUM INI.
Saya sedih sangat dengan apa yang berlaku dimana semakin ramai rakyat yang dulunya sudah semakin reda dengan kemarahan dihati terhadap kenaikan semua harga barang termasuk minyak, kini kembali menjelma kebancian mereka akibat penjelasan Menteri yang tidak menepati mengikut kehendak rakyat (malahan Alsodo-mee itu memutarbelit fakta sehinggakan rakyat telah terpedaya dengan manis mulut Alsodo-mee itu, padahal Alsodo-mee hanya pandai berbohong & bermain kata)....
(Mengikut rating penonton yang AgendaDaily nyatakan hari ini di lamanweb mereka) 4.4juta penonton! Maka, 4.4juta penonton telah dipertontonkan satu rancangan MANIS MULUT AL-SODO-MEE PERCUMA! (Acara Alsodo-mee berhujah percuma dihadapan 4.4juta Rakyat Malaysia untuk menagih undi bagi PRU-13 nanti!) BERCAKAP KONONNYA UNTUK RAKYAT - dan shabery seolah-olah defend Kerajaan (yang rakyat muak nak dengar!) .... Jadi, siapa yang rugi (saya tak kata KALAH), yang rugi adalah parti kerajaan yang memerintah.
... Kerana membenarkan musuh masuk rumah dan membenarkan musuh menggunakan "alatan media hebahan" dalam rumahnya sendiri untuk memburukkan dirinya sebagai TUAN RUMAH. Secara LIVE pulak tu!
Lain kali, jangan buat lagi macam ni shabery oiii ......
AloQStaQ
Dear Tun,
The title itself indicates that you too agree that the debate belongs to Anwar !!!! Paklah shud have appointed a better orator!!
Salam Tun,
For me the DEBATE is not a debate....DEBATE is consisting with proper language, proper facts and proper message.....the message that i can see from the debate is UNPROFESSIONAL of leaders....Both still cannot "replace" the no. 1, Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad....
Ayahanda Tun
Sila BAHASA MELAYUkan artikel ini supaya saya dan rakan-rakan blogers lain dapat cetak, salin, edar, war-warkan ke seluruh pelusuk MALAYSIA. Bagi kesedaran kepada rakyat bahawa masalah ini bukan ciptaan orang lain TAPI ciptaan peribadi dan individu Anwar Ibrahim (tak payah pakai Dato' Seri lagi) sendiri.
Kalau orang nak buat naya, mesti pakai cara lain la. Tak tergamak orang nak bagi aib pakai kes SODOMY. Nak kenakan dia cara lain rasuah, salahguna kuasa, pakat dengan Yahudi Amerika pun rakyat dah boleh tolak dia.
Kita tengok sekarang cara dia nak 'defend' diri kat mahkamah pun ikut rentak Yahudi, persoal integriti Peguam Pendakwa, Hakim-Hakim, Pegawai Penyiasat, Ketua Polis Negara, TPM dll. Tapi PM dia tak serang sebab dia tau PM dah ditolak oleh rakyat. Tak payah buang masa serang dia. Lawyer2 sekarang kalau nak kaya boleh jadi Peguam Pembela beliau sebab peguam-peguam beliau kes dulu semua kaya2 dapat fees lumayan. Mana datang duit??????
Jadi kepada all Blogers yang sayangkan negara sila buat salinan artikel Ayahanda Tun dan sebarkan ke seluruh negara:
1. Kedai2 Kopi
2. Warung2
3. Masjid2
4. Balai2 Raya
5. Tempat2 Orang Melepak (Kampung & Bandar)
6. Papan2 Iklan
7. Surau2
8. Mana2 tempat difikirkan perlu.
Wassalam.
as the old folks said
"he's busy singing the old song"
Assalamualaikum WBT Tun ,
Ever since when I was in my school days though Anwar was in the government at that time I'd never like him . Yeah , he's a good orator but also a good actor . When he was the Education Minister and the Finance Minister he had lied and tarnished the reputation of the 2 rulers in the East Coast. I think you know who I meant.
And then later I realised Allah had saved us our country from having a leader like him who will 'kowtow' to the west . Anyway , looks like the same pattern here with present PM.
Wassalam .
SALAM TUN,
SUATU HARI NANTI HUKUM KARMA PASTI DATANG
SIAPA YANG BERSALAH SURE AKAN DAPAT
CEPAT ATAU LAMBAT...IA PASTI DATANG
SEMUA ORANG YANG BERIMAN DAPAT MELIHATNYER....KECUALI MEREKA YANG PUNYA HATI KELAM.
SAYA DAH LIHAT.......EKORAN KEJADIAN 1998.....
TUN PUN DAH MULA DAPAT....DAN AKAN JADI LEBIH TERUK....JIKA TIDAK BERTAUBAT.
POSTING LALU TUN BUANG...SAYA TAK KISAH
SEBAB SAYA TAHU TUN BACA
SAYA SEKADAR NAK PERPESAN-PESAN....
BUAT BAIK DIBALAS BAIK
BUAT BURUK DIBALAS BURUK.
Salam sejahtera Tun,
Berkenaan dengan debat tu saya tidak melihatnya sebagai hebat,kerana apabila diajukan soalan berkenaan 'premis' oleh Nordin Kardi, Anwar kelihatan tidak meyakinkan.Seseorang yang tidak konsisten,maka adalah tidak BENAR.Kononnya Anwar seorang pemimpin Melayu yang hebat,hujah-hujah dalam debat tersebut tidak mencapai kualiti debat sebenar.Walau bagaimanapun Anwar tetap menang kerana mendapat 'airtime' dan Shabery juga menang kerana beliau adalah seorang 'peninju lightweight' yang sanggup menentang 'peninju heavyweight' yang kemaruk.Ramai yang tidak sedar yang Anwar sebenarnya adalah seorang 'psychopath'.
Kenapa beliau enggan bersumpah dengan Quran?Bukankah seorang pemimpin Islam itu adalah semestinya seorang yang sanubarinya dinaungi oleh Quran.
SALAM TUN...
WALAU APAPUN YANG TERJADI SY TETAP TIDAK PERNAH MENYOKONG ANUAR...NAMUN SY AMAT KHUATIR DENGAN PERKEMBANGAN SEKARANG...MUNGKINKAH ORG.YANG GILA KUASA SEPERTI ANUAR AKAN JADI PM?...
Tun....
Saya mewakili penduduk kampung yang buta IT dan kurang mahir berbahasa English... Boleh tak tun atau wakil dalam blog tolong alih bahasa Ebglish ke Bahasa Malaysia.. Senang sikit nak kami mengikuti... Orang2 kampung suka dengan kepimpinan TUN.. jadi dia orang dah boring baca Akhbar yang banyak muka PAKLAH.. KAMI SOKONG PAKLAH... kami tak boleh membuat pilihan bagi pemilihan presiden umno yang akan datang.. Nak Tak Nak Kami terpaksa Undi Pembangkang Untuk menjatuhkan Kepimpinanan PAKLAH dan KUNCU-Kuncunya...
Salam Tun
Pasai apa setengah2 ur kabinet yg buat skandal u x bising pun... mcm mana dgn kisah mustakizah... etc etc..
Tun
dah bertaubat ker? pasai apa dok main2 Quran sedangkan b4 this u dok perleceh hukum Islam....
Tun
b4 this I did respect to you but when I grown up I perceive many misdeeds done by you...
Salam Tun,
Sudah terang lagikan bersuluh Shabery bukan lawan Anwar.....menggeletar.....sepatutnya Pak Lah yang kedepan
Tapi Anwar 2 manusia serupa kite gak Tun tak kan tak buat salah....biar Allah & mahkamah tentukan ( kalau ke Mahkamah )
Salam TUN,
We luv u so much. Syukur tak terkira kpd ALLAH kerana melahirkan pemimpin spt TUN di Malaysia. Kami pd 1998 dulu tidak percaya 100% ttpi kini sudah percaya 120% tindakan DSAI ini. We believe ALLAH telah menutup pintu pejabat PM utk beliau. Kalau dia jadi PM negara ini beliau akan jual kerana belum apa-apa lagi beliau telah repot dekat America. Adakah pemimpin yang sebegini yang kita ingin utk menjadi pemimpin kita? Tahniah kpd Dato'Shabery krn memberi ruang kpd DSAI berhujah & di pertontonkan seluruh negara. Ini telah menampakkan barisan pemimpin Kabinet Pak Lah yang gugup dan hanya bertahan bukannya menyerang dgn point yg bernas bila berhujah dan kadang kala tersasar dari matlamat. Ayuh pastikan Pak Lah terjun dgn labu-labunya.
mengenai liwat tuh...hanya allah mengetahui mana yang betul mana yang salah..kita sebagai rakyat malaysia sama2 berdoa semoga malaysia aman tenteram sepanjang masa..
kalau betul DSAI meliwat beliau akan terima pembalasan Allah di akhirat kelak..kalau sebaliknya..para2 pemfitnah nya akan diberi pembalasan juga oleh Allah..ingatlah akhirat tuh wujud..
Tun dan pembaca sekelian,
Saya bersetuju dengan Tun berkenaan isu debat. Kerajaan BN memang cukup berani untuk membenarkan debat sebegini. Ini mungkin kerana strategi yang berbeza digunakan.
DSAI menggunakan isu minyak ini untuk menarik perhatian dan seterusnya menagih simpati rakyat. Kerajaan BN yang diwakili oleh Shabery pula mengambil peluang untuk menyerang keperibadian DSAI. Masing2 nampaknya mencapai kemenangan yang tersendiri.
Isu tuduhan liwat merupakan perkara yang jauh lebih rumit. Memang susah untuk membuat kesimpulan kerana sukar untuk mengatakan bahawa kes ini boleh disiasat dengan adil. Teknik DNA hanya merupakan kaedah secara saintifik, tetapi betulkah keputusan yang akan diumumkan itu? Ini perkara yang boleh dibahaskan kerana rentetan peristiwa sebelum DSAI dituduh menimbulkan syak wasangka yang besar.
Adakah manasabah seorang TPM (DS Najib) menerima Saiful dipejabatnya untuk membuat permohonan biasiswa? Saiful boleh membuat permohonan biasiswa melalui JPA atau kementerian lain yang lebih berkaitan. Kalau pun betul tujuan Saiful berjumpa DS Najib, kita menghadapi masalah kepimpinan yang sangat besar pula kerana seorang TPM membazir masa dipejabatnya untuk tujuan2 yang tidak perlu.
Kenapa pula tiada pengumuman mengenai hasil DNA sebelum DSAI ditahan? Sepatutnya struktur DNA yang diambil dari Saiful boleh diumumkan dulu sebelum DNA dari DSAI diambil kerana teknik DNA merupakan teknik "matching".
Saya rasa perlu perkara ini elok dibahaskan oleh pakar2 perubatan moden secara terperinci memandangkan kes ini telah dijadikan kes sensasi terkini. Ini perlu kerana dalam kes ini tiada saksi2 yang boleh dipercayai (rujuk syarat2 saksi) melihat perbuatan antara yang menuduh dan yang tertuduh.
Wassalam.
Salam Bloggers sume..
aku heran tul la..dah tgk sendiri debat ari tu sampai berbuih-buih mulut Shabery cuba putar belit..itu pun x terbuka lagi ke hati korang (Penyokong BN)? tak nampak lagi ke sapa betul atau sapa salah? Isu liwat ni dah basi la, cuba la cari cara lain untuk fitnah..masyaallah!!Dulu anwar dah kasi sampel DNA masa kes 1998..nape nak mintak lagi? bukan ke dah ada rekod tu? cuba la pikir guna otak bukan guna kepala lutut!
Assalamualaikum Tun,
I wish to direct your closing line to AAB.
Dear AAB,
Resign now! Stop whatever it is you are doing; It is not Islamic and it is sinful.
Thank you.
Salam sejahtera buat Tun dan sekeluarga. Semoga Allah jua yang memberi kekuatan mental dan fizikal untuk Tun berdiri menegak kebenaran.....Amin.
Sunguh simple tapi amat menarik hujah Tun dalam soal debat DSAI dan panglima Pak Dolah DSC. Dan kes sodomi DSAI.
Jelas apa yang Tun huraikan menepati apa yang helah2 atau yang cuba DSAI nafikan pembabitan nyer dalam tuduhan tersebut. SYABAS TUN....
Sekarang terpulang lah kepada cara mana proses perundangan Malaysia untuk menjalankan tugasan ini dengan adil dan bijaksana.Mahkamah akan menentukan pehak mana yang benar dan salah.
Dan kita lihat macam mana kerajaan DSAAB menahan kemaraan penyokong2 fanatik DSAI mempertahankan idola mereka.
Semoga ALLAH akan memberi pertunjuk kepada kita semua....
TUN, yang pelik nyer kenapa DSAI tu loyer nyer semua dari kumpulan kulit ........ tak ada ker loyer orang M......yang lebeh berpengetahuan serba sebanyak akan perundangan Islam dan hal2 agama Islam...hmm...heran jugak yer...
Satu lagi yang menyulitkan keadaan ialah Amerika, awal2 lagi dah nak masuk campur urusan negara kita. Ini yang kita risaukan kalau DSAI jadi PM.
Tun, sekarang ahli umno diperingkat akar umbi dah mula nak buat persediaan menghadapi Perhimpunan Agong UMNO.
Boleh harap ker para perwakilan membuat undi terbaik untuk memilih pucuk pimpinan. Dapat kain pelikat sorang satu nanti dah gelap fikiran. Saya percaya kebanyakan ahli akar umbi dah tak nak DSAAB jadi PM. Tak caya jom kita buat road tour satu Malaysia. Kita tanya ahli2 ni.
Tun bila nak buat ceramah lagi kat sekitar Lembah Klang.
Hari tu balik kampong kat Perak , orang kampong bercerita semasa Tun datang ke Ipoh, fulamak......penuh sesak rakyat datang. Yang buta datang bertonkat.Yang lumpuh datang berpapah. Begitulah bertapa masih sayang nyer rakyat pada Tun.Semua terharu dan sedeh Tun bukan lagi PM Malaysia. Rata2 rakyat Malaysia sekarang ni macam
anak ayam kehilangan ibu. Ada yang menagis mengenangkan jasa2 Tun yang tak terbalas untuk Malaysia. Orang yang tak berhati perut saja yang tak tahu mengenang jasa2 Tun.Melayu mudah lupa....
Saya tak akan lupa hingga akhir hayat pada seorang pejuang bangsa dan tanah air.
Tun, jaga kesihatan dan teruskan perjuangan sehingga selesai.....
brani ke tun nak debat dgn Anwar? hehe!!
saya harap Tun dalam keadaan sihat selalu.saya selalu mengikuti perkembangan blog Tun. Ini dapat merangsang minda saya supaya dapat berfikir dengan lebih luas lagi dan dapat membuat sesuatu keputusan dengan tepat dan bijak. Terima kasih tun.
Hisshy.. Pening aku.. Berita Harian, RTM, Radia FM kata Shabery menang.. Bloggers pulak rata-rata termasuk Tun kata Anwar menang...!!!! Entah lah apa nak jadi..
Tapi memang tak ada kaki lah nak lawan anwar tu sepatutnya khairi Jamaludin yang lawan baru ada fight...
To all bloggers, eventough i'm not a supporter of DSI, but at least we as a Malaysian should respect him for winning the debate i supposed. DSI has shown to us that he at least has a creditablity and ways of how to tackle the problen of petrol price hike. Until today even the government itself hasn't come up with any solution of how to tackle the national problem which cause difficulty to all Malaysians.
For now i prefer DSI be the PM rather then DSAAB, unless TDM is willing to come back and became our PM (for the time being) until the situation come back to normal, and hands over to TSMY as the PM.
(Sorry DSNTR is not qualified to be our next PM - LEMBAB LAH)
About the sodomy case, we cannot accused DSI until proven guilty.
Tun,
Kalau dicadangkan di adakan debat LIVE tentang Malaysia antara Tun dan Paklah, adakah Tun setuju? Atau sememangnya ditunggu-tunggu. Saya percaya, semua soalan kacang bagi Tun.
Have a nice day Tun.
Ybgh Tun,
Debat tu x membawa kemana pun, semua yang Anwar cakap ialah teori semata. Bukan nak kata tindakan kerajaan betul, tapi kalau dah harga minyak dunia naik , tentulah wajar harga minyak kita naik. Jika pun kerajaan nak bantu rakyat, bagilah dalam bentuk lain, dan jika nak bendung kenaikan barangan pengunaan lain , kurangkan lah harga diesel.
Jika harga petrol kita murah , golongan bukan sasar ambil kesempatan.
Kita nak rakyat berusaha membayar dengan harga sabenar, hingga akhirnya jika boleh , tax dari hari kehari dihapuskan, kerajaan berniaga sendiri mencari pendapatan membangunkan negara, dan rakyat berusaha sendiri menyara hidup mereka.
Sekarang kita menyumbang banyak untuk negara, tapi kerajaan memerintah terus membebankan rakyat. Pelan pelan kita cipta satu sistem pemerintahan, sistem ekonomi, sistem pertahanan dan macam-macam lagi ala anwar dan DSAAB. Mereka tu pakat kot ??????
Harap Tun akan melakukan sesuatu mengubah keadaan yang teruk ni.
Mendoakan Tun senantiasa dalam kesejahteraan dan kebahagiaan.
Terima Kasih.
Salam Tun,
Saya benci dengan Anwar kerana cuba nak jual Malaysia.Saya hairan kenapa penyokong penyokong Anwar masih buta hal ini.Dahla meliwat orang.dan saya pasti Tun ada rahsia terbesar tentang perkara ini yang tak pernah diketahui umum.Dedahkan saja.biar penyokong anwar tahu langit tinggi atau rendah.tak perlu fikir tentang maruah anak2 anwar dan keluarga.Anwar sudah melampau.
Tun,saya nak request agar Tun ceritakan tentang 'Peristiwa Sesudah Subuh' yang berlaku ketika mula-mula Tun mengambil alih tampuk pemerintahan Malaysia...
Terima kasih..
Assalamualaikum YABhg Tun.
Perdebatan diantara DSAI Vs DASC memberi ruang kepada DSAI menonjolkan diri sebagai orang yang pandai berhujah.
DASC terperangkap dengan andaian DSAI untuk mencari RM 5 Billion untuk biaya subsidi 50 sen. DSAI begitu optimis untuk dapat pembiayaan. Persoalannya cukupkah RM5 Billion untuk membiayai subsidi 50 sen. Kenapa DASC tidak mematahkan andaian DSAI dengan fakta. Tidakkah pemberian subsidi tersebut juga bererti mengambil wang dari PETRONAS kemudian beri kepada SHELL, Exxon Mobil dan penyeludup minyak.
Tindakan yang diambil oleh YABhg. Tun terhadap aduan salah laku DSAI pada tahun 1998 amat tepat. Melepaskan beliau dari tindakan undang-undang ibarat melepas anjing tersepit.
Sekarang beliau cuba menagih simpati dengan kononnya ada konspirasi untuk menjatuhkannya. Saya geram kerana ada yang simpati dengan beliau. Mereka inilah yang cuba menimbulkan keadaan tidak tenteram. Berdemonstrasi dan menyusahkan orang lain. Masa kita terbuang kerana terpaksa melayan karenah buruk mereka.
Kali ini saya rasa DSAI memang bersalah. Sebab itu beliau enggan benarkan ujian DNA dilakukan. Beliau cuba bersembunyi dengan balik kerumah pada jam 1 sedangkan masa akhir ke IPKKL pada jam 2 petang. Kenapa beliau sanggup datang awal ke Putrajaya untuk memberi keterangan kepada BPR sedangkan untuk ke IPKKL dilewat-lewatkan.
Sekiranya beliau berpegang dengan Al-Quran dan warak, kenapa sanggup memilih peguam yang secara terang pernah berkata "langkah mayat saya jika hendak menjadikan Malaysia sebagai negara Islam " sebagai peguamnya. Banyak keraguan timbul dari perlakuan DSAI. Hanya Allah yang maha mengetahui perilaku hambanya.
Semoga YABhg. Tun sekeluarga dirahmati Allah.
salam tun,
at first,when news was announced abt the debate involving DSAI and 'newcomer' Datuk shabery chek. i was skeptical and unconvinced by datuk shabery 's capability to debate (with DSAI). not to underrate him in whatsoever but i think i was right. DSAI was far more outstanding...!
however, congrats to datuk shabery kerana berani w/p looked nervous.
live telecast debate ni biasa kat US atau negara2 maju tapi kat sini rasanya baru. Mungkin perlu dianalisa cara mentaliti dan penerimaan masyarakt malaysia ,ya lah budaya kita berlainan.
kesimpulan dan kenyataan: kalau PR berkuasa hari ni, TAK MUNGKIN keesokkan turun harga.ianya melibatkan banyak birokrasi dan teknikal isu yg perlu di lalui dulu. Rasmi pembangkang dari dulu, apa yg kerajaan buat, yg baik ,di kecam dan yg buruk, dua kali hentam!
long live Tun M ,you are brilliant, definitely our country needs you still.
Dear Tun,
Totally agree with you. Anwar is too good at 'talking'. Anyway, this kind of debate is good for our society and should keep contiunue on other matters.
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Salam Tun,
Pada pendapat saya selain daripada ingin tahu apa formula dsai berkaitan myk, tentu rakyat sebenarnya lebih ingin tahu 'kenapa kerajaan naikkan minyak'. bknkah itu yg diwar2kan oleh saberry tentang peranannya sbg menteri penerangan - utk menerangkan kpd rakyat. saya amat kecewa medium tersebut digunakan utk berdebat politik pula oleh sabbery.sungguhpun anwar sgt pakar dlm bercakap,namun sekiranya sabbery dpt menjelaskan terperinci dan kerasionalan kenaikan myk tersebut, maka kehebatan bercakap dsai itu bknlah satu isu.
selain itu, saya expect huraian tun di bwh tajuk 'debate' ini lebih kepada komen tun tentang mekanisme dsai dlm menangani isu myk, dari sudut ekonomi dan kepentingan rakyat.serta fakta yg dikeluarkan oleh kedua2 pihak.tetapi tun komen tentang tuduhan liwat pula.
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Salam tun,
I agree that no such person will dare to tell public that he is sodomised unless it is real or he is paid with a lot sum of money. I have an experience in university which Anwar previously asted as president (he he I got my scroll from Anwar). There was this one guy who is known with 'lembut2' secretly told his freinds that a well establish student leader(A... group) has done something bad with him (I mean sodomised la). You know what his friends told that 'lembut' guy- 'woi jangan nak buat fitnah kat sini la, takan student leader tu buat kerja2 macam tu'. But, when I think it again now, there were a lot of possibilities. What benefit that 'lembut2' guy has when he try to tell his friends something bad has been done by the student leader?. Unless it was so real. May be that case involved an ordinary person, it went no way.
I also agree that the present government would be very bad and shallow if it tries to raise the same accusation to Anwar. However, the government or person who has the interest to this case may have known this sodomise issue long time ago but wanted to raise the case when the time is right (the police report was lodged after a statutory declaration issued by RPK (king of bloggers and also a leader in PKR).
A bad habit is very diffucult to stop. Tun has put it nicely. A person needs a very strong will power to get rid off the bad habit. I am one of the sample. I smoke, i quit, and i smoke again. That's why don't try something sinful unless you are a strong will power personality to make you stop.
On quran and swearing, why we want to come back to quran when this case happens. Where in other situations nobody has interest in applying the quran. We want to become muslim only ritually. We practise muslim only during these following occasions: during our birth day where our father calling azan to our ear-once a lifetime, aqiqah-once a life time,circumcise-once a lifetime, maulidurasul-once a year, hariraya-once a year, puasa- one month a year, haji- once a life time, zakat-once a year, marry- once a lifetime, during our death- once a life time. thats all. Why bother to use swearing ceremony according to quran when we only interested to some parts of what quran has said and neglect other that we hate doing?
wasalam. Tun, take care of yourself and dont stop to give us(rakyat) very fruitful advices. You speak as a normal rakyat, with the interest of rakyat. Not as a political leader, who needs to hide a lot of things because of the OSA act.
Assalamualaikum Tun,
You often come up with the most brilliant of quotes and observations:
"..invoking procedures to spike justice.."
"..one forgetting the objectives of an ideology but rather sees the ideology as the objective.."
can you be any smarter?
Assalamualaikum Tun yang dihormati,
Adalah merupakan kesilapan besar kerajaan kerana mengadakan debat ini. Ternyata kelihatan DSAI lebih menyerlah daripada DSC.Dengan gaya dan hujah yang meyakinkan DSAI telah berjaya menundukkan dan meninggalkan DSC jauh di belakang.
Persetujuan kerajaan mengadakan debat ini dan seterusnya menyiarkan secara lansung telah memberi peluang yang cukup besar kepada DSAI untuk menonjolkan kebolehan dan kehebatan dirinya kepada orangramai. Umum mengetahui kebolehan DSAI berhujah dan berpidato.
Sekarang kita lihat bagaimana komen umum lebih memihak kepada DSAI. Secara lansung debat ini telah menunjukkan kelemahan begitu ketara DSC dan ini secara tidak lansung juga telah menyebabkan ketidak yakinan rakyat kepada kerajaan sekarang.
Hanya TUN yang mampu untuk mematahkan sebarang serangan DSAI.
Teruskan berjuang, Tun.
Salam tun....saya ingat tun dah nyanyuk kut....berjuta mata melihat..mendengar kenyataan tun di youtube tuhhhhh.......ini bukti visual...tak perlu bawak bukti...jawab tun
Boleh komen mengenai video yang tersebar di youtube (tidak silap saya, rakaman di buat di Kelab Darul Ehsan), di mana kenyataan Tun di dalam rakaman itu menunjukkan seolah-olah Tun yang memerangkap DSAI dengan dakwaan2 palsu yang menyebabkan DSAI merengkok dalam penjara?
Dear TDM,
I watch with disappointment the way menteri penerangan spoke of the issue, clearly he is not a finical person and obviously his preparation for the debate lack homework and superficial. If ai said that he would drop 50 cents from the current price of rm2.70 (which is rm2.20) meaning he too saw that there is a need to increase the price of petrol but put it this way, I would increase in milder …. So the only thing wrong with pak lah is that he is so abrupt with his action/ statement , not studying the situation where at the same time we are facing flour price increase, rice increase and added by the fuel all other food items increases. Where is the IQ, EQ and SQ? It goes to show pak lah lack caring, even though he kept on mentioning of being prudent in spending but all the savings do not translate to rakyat prosperity. Rakyat cannot see the development, his belanjawan were all in favour of the government sector but yet he did not get their full support worst still support from people on the fence. I do not know where the debate would bring us, coz at the end of the day what the rakyat want is a win win situation. ai says that his “government” would be prudent, well pak lah’s government also says the same and TDM has proven to be an effective during his leadership…to my opinion and I still hold TDM quote “power corrupts, absolute power corrupt absolutely” and I believe he would not cakap about it if tak serupa bikin.
Thanks TDM
Assalamualaikum wbt,
Tun,
debat yang menarik diantara shabery vs a