1. Non-Malays and maybe quite a few Malays have strongly criticised my piece on the Bar Council. I am made out to be against free speech, human rights etc.
2. What I was talking was about sensitivity - about the need for people to be sensitive to the feelings of other people. It was not about Islam or its teachings or its history per se. It is about the Malays and the non-Malays in this multiracial, multi religious country and their sensitivities.
3. You may not notice it but I also mentioned the sensitivities of other races in Malaysia.
2. What I was talking was about sensitivity - about the need for people to be sensitive to the feelings of other people. It was not about Islam or its teachings or its history per se. It is about the Malays and the non-Malays in this multiracial, multi religious country and their sensitivities.
3. You may not notice it but I also mentioned the sensitivities of other races in Malaysia.
4. I didn't use language meant to irritate which I could very well do, as good as anybody else.
5. My criticism against the Bar Council is because of its insensitivity and arrogance. I can say a few things about some members of the Bar Council in order to hurt. But I did not. I should really, because the Bar Council was instrumental in persuading the Royal Commission that it was possible I was influenced in the choice of judges by V.K. Linggam and that I should be investigated. It was an exercise in taking me down a peg.
6. Sensitivities of people differ. We don't wear chador in Malaysia but go to the countries where the chador is de rigueur and wear a miniskirt because it is your right. Then you will see what will happen. Even Queen Elizabeth covered up sufficiently when visiting Saudi Arabia. She was sensitive, her royal rights notwithstanding.
7. Other countries have different interpretations of Islam and it is their right. In fact even Christian countries have their sensitivities. Or the levels of their sensitivities may be different.
8. Go to some European countries and you will find condoms on the steps of churches. In others, Christian priests officiate marriages between man and man, woman and woman and they raise families by having sex with other people. It is fine there because it is their interpretation of their rights. But why stop there? Why arrest couples having sex in full view of people in a park? Isn't it their right too? But the people object. They are sensitive to this. What is the difference? You know very well that they do this at home anyway. And you do it too. But I think you also feel it is not right. You would feel offended as your child ask you "What are they doing Papa (or Mama)?" as the case may be.
9. The non-Malays in Malaysia have a lot of sensitive issues too. We cannot touch on them. We would be accused of being racist, being insensitive, provocative and offensive.
10. But supposing we ignore their sensitivities and we talk loudly about them. They would not like it. They may reply in kind, perhaps more insultingly.
11. Then we have to increase our insulting remarks in order to annoy, knowing that what we say would irritate and anger them.
12. The end result must be tension between the races in Malaysia which may lead to violence, continuous violence. Lives may be lost and property destroyed.
13. You can tell relatives of the people killed or owners of the property destroyed that this is okay, this is human rights, this is freedom, this is democracy. Think they will celebrate and offer more of their relatives to be killed so that you can behave insensitively?
14. I may be against the present Government but that does not mean I must forsake all that I believe in.
15. I believe not being able to discuss certain issues is a small price to pay for having stability and peace in this country. It had paid off hansomely. We would not be where we are today if we slug verbally or otherwise, at each other every day.
16. Some countries may be more open than others and still remain stable. Almost all these countries are single ethnic developed countries with the majority of the people atheistic. Still you don't call a black man a nigger but it is okay to call him an SOB (Son of a B***h).
17. But ours is not. Ours is multi-ethnic country where assimilation has not taken place. After hundreds of years you insist on still being what you are. Still for 50 years we managed to remain stable without the kind of conditions imposed by developed countries on new citizens.
18. We were able to do this because we were willing to accept minor restrictions, we are sensitive to the feelings of others.
19. Other newly independent countries attempting to practice even basic democracy have all become very unstable. Their people remained poor and the poor became poorer, despite being single ethnic.
20. If what we want is to be able to provoke people as a matter of right more than our own well-being and that of fellow citizens then be insensitive and have open debates by selected people whose views are already known, who are insensitive to the sensitivities of others but are very sensitive about their rights to be insensitive, whatever the cost to others and the country.
5. My criticism against the Bar Council is because of its insensitivity and arrogance. I can say a few things about some members of the Bar Council in order to hurt. But I did not. I should really, because the Bar Council was instrumental in persuading the Royal Commission that it was possible I was influenced in the choice of judges by V.K. Linggam and that I should be investigated. It was an exercise in taking me down a peg.
6. Sensitivities of people differ. We don't wear chador in Malaysia but go to the countries where the chador is de rigueur and wear a miniskirt because it is your right. Then you will see what will happen. Even Queen Elizabeth covered up sufficiently when visiting Saudi Arabia. She was sensitive, her royal rights notwithstanding.
7. Other countries have different interpretations of Islam and it is their right. In fact even Christian countries have their sensitivities. Or the levels of their sensitivities may be different.
8. Go to some European countries and you will find condoms on the steps of churches. In others, Christian priests officiate marriages between man and man, woman and woman and they raise families by having sex with other people. It is fine there because it is their interpretation of their rights. But why stop there? Why arrest couples having sex in full view of people in a park? Isn't it their right too? But the people object. They are sensitive to this. What is the difference? You know very well that they do this at home anyway. And you do it too. But I think you also feel it is not right. You would feel offended as your child ask you "What are they doing Papa (or Mama)?" as the case may be.
9. The non-Malays in Malaysia have a lot of sensitive issues too. We cannot touch on them. We would be accused of being racist, being insensitive, provocative and offensive.
10. But supposing we ignore their sensitivities and we talk loudly about them. They would not like it. They may reply in kind, perhaps more insultingly.
11. Then we have to increase our insulting remarks in order to annoy, knowing that what we say would irritate and anger them.
12. The end result must be tension between the races in Malaysia which may lead to violence, continuous violence. Lives may be lost and property destroyed.
13. You can tell relatives of the people killed or owners of the property destroyed that this is okay, this is human rights, this is freedom, this is democracy. Think they will celebrate and offer more of their relatives to be killed so that you can behave insensitively?
14. I may be against the present Government but that does not mean I must forsake all that I believe in.
15. I believe not being able to discuss certain issues is a small price to pay for having stability and peace in this country. It had paid off hansomely. We would not be where we are today if we slug verbally or otherwise, at each other every day.
16. Some countries may be more open than others and still remain stable. Almost all these countries are single ethnic developed countries with the majority of the people atheistic. Still you don't call a black man a nigger but it is okay to call him an SOB (Son of a B***h).
17. But ours is not. Ours is multi-ethnic country where assimilation has not taken place. After hundreds of years you insist on still being what you are. Still for 50 years we managed to remain stable without the kind of conditions imposed by developed countries on new citizens.
18. We were able to do this because we were willing to accept minor restrictions, we are sensitive to the feelings of others.
19. Other newly independent countries attempting to practice even basic democracy have all become very unstable. Their people remained poor and the poor became poorer, despite being single ethnic.
20. If what we want is to be able to provoke people as a matter of right more than our own well-being and that of fellow citizens then be insensitive and have open debates by selected people whose views are already known, who are insensitive to the sensitivities of others but are very sensitive about their rights to be insensitive, whatever the cost to others and the country.
saya menyokong anda Tun...
please......
save our Malaysia....
askum tun.....
reading u blogs makes me more viser than before....
for all the information.....tq
regret for putting my vote to pr....
Dearest Tun,
You are sooooo right.. spot on.. bulls eye..
May Allah bless you and Tun Siti forever..
Dear Tun
Another great article from TDM - eat your heart out "Majlis Peguam Malaysia".
Like old folks say - "Masuk kandang kambing, mengembek - masuk kandang harimau, mengaum" tapi jangan masuk pulak kandang harimau, nanti kena makan.
"Di Mana Bumi DiPijak - Di Situ Langit DiJunjung"
Rgds
salam Tun...
I'm the 1st...
hehehe
THE MALAYSIAN BAR COUNCIL.........
U All dah melampau...
jgn sentuh sensitiviti orang melayu...jgn pertikai apa yang ada dalam perlembagaan
Salam,
Thanks Tun. U make it sound very clear for some of them who not understand the situation. May good bless you sir.
Perhaps thing just made to show how fierce some*one* can be or perhaps... just to draw attention, or again perhaps, someone needed to show how powerful he/she can be now.
But, the best way to keep our Malaysia is - to make peace with everyone and maintain the stability, not making any little situation worse than we already seen.
Salam,
Thanks Tun. U make it sound very clear for some of them who not understand the situation. May god bless you sir.
Dear Ayahanda Tun,
Whack them all.....
I WILL BE WITH U FOREVER TUN....
ME AND MY FAMILY LOVE U SO MUCH AYAHANDA TUN..... COME BACK AND SAVE MALAYSIA PLEASE.......
yes,u r right tun..but the govt just keep silence n even allowed such forum to b held until a demonstration was carried out..
unfortunenately, it shows clearly that our present govt hv no sensitivity..what a pity!
Salam Tun,
Saya amat-amat bersetuju dengan pandangan yang bernas dan mantap dari Tun. Bar Council telah lupa sejarah. Segala-galanya hendak bersandarkan kepada tafsiran undang-undang mereka tanpa memikirkan kesan pada negara.
Mereka terlalu ego di sebabkan oleh Zaid Ibrahim. Wahai umat Islam...perlu ingat, Zaid Ibrahim inilah yang pernah membawa hudud ke mahkamah supaya tidak di jadikan undang-undang negara.
Sepatutnya sebagai muslim, dia harus mengkaji mana kelemahan dfar tersebut, bukannya terus menentang.
I always believe that too much of anything is never good for anybody. However Tun, hope you could guide us the rakyat on how to tackle all the issues that you've raised up. This bar council issue for instance, how do we voice up our concerns when all channels to complaints are very restricted. I also do not want to see too many demonstrations for rakyat to voice up their concerns... but so far.. that's the only way that we can do...
i wonder if we would ever be like our neighboring country where violence on streets is something normal when people are not satisfied... i sincerely wish that that day would not come...
ieja
Dear Tun,
I am agreed with some of the points which you had outlined here.
Since we are living in a multi-racial community, mutual respect between one and other is very important. We are all civilized and been educated from our parents and school, morals stand on one of the important principes of a person's life.
Without good moral, without respects, without good images...I dont think that particular person/country will be respect by other nations. It will be much more better for us to value a person with moral and well-behaviours rather than value a person whom is clever but worthless.
Hui Ling
Salam Tokdet...
Semuanya terjadi kerana kelemahan dan kelembapan pemimpin2 sekarang ni, dan sampai sekarang mereka masih lagi berdiam diri tak berani dan tak mampu untuk membetulkan kembali dan mengatasi masalah2 ini dengan segera..
Jika tidak dibendung dengan segera tidak mustahil, dan saya berpendapat peristiwa hitam 1969 pasti berulang, hanya menanti masa dan siapa yang berani memulakan dulu sahaja..
Saya pasti kalau tok masih jadi Perdana Menteri, tiada siapa yang berani provoke dan membangkitkan isu-isu yang sensitif yang boleh menggugat keamanan dan kestabilan rakyat berbilang kaum di negara kita ini...
Tapi sayangnya, pemimpin sekarang ni hanya bertuhankan duit dan mabuk kuasa, tak pedulikan masalah yang nampaknya semakin serius ini...
Salam tok..
Dear Tun,
Setuju 100% with your writing!Keep writing to let Malaysian awake of current situation in the country
Malaysia Boleh!
pendapat saya, perbincangan sebegini boleh dibuat tapi haruslah tertutup sebagai menghormati sensitivity masayarakat majmuk.
Cuma untuk perbincangan terbuka biarlah yang menjadi panelnya terdiri dari golongan-golongan yang bijak pandai (peguam) dan ahli dalam agama (ulama) bagi mengelakkan kekeliruan dan salah tafsiran. kalau mahu bincang tentang undang-undang civil sekalipun, haruslah diajak sekali ulama menjadi ahli panel untuk mendapat nasihat, pandangan dan penjelasan terperinci dari sudut agama itu sendiri.
ini sekadar pendapat saya sahaja...
syam @ http://aeropama.com
Dear Tun,
Yes sensitive issues shouldn't be discuss in the open. It will triger uneasiness among the races and religions. But some people they just dont care. Simple as that.
Dearest Tun,
I don't blame you for not publishing my comment on your earlier post because it borders on race and religion.
I have to admit that we Malaysians are a sensitive lot and discussions on race and religion should be done behind closed doors. The subject is always discussed, among families and friends. But this is only mere talk but we have come to accept, respect and live with their cultures and beliefs.
Our talk did not lead us to the streets unlike the recent happening. If they want to stop the forum, they don't need to drag the whole kampung into the picture. They could have just inform the police to do it.
Our PM & DPM always mentioned that street protests is not our culture, but sadly they did not mention this recently. They only mention not to touch on sensitive religious issues.
I wonder if they are taking sides now?
http://wtfmalaysiangovernment.blogspot.com/
Salam.
Lagu Warisan banyak memberi peringatan kepada bangsa kita. Hal-hal sebegini, bila bangsa lain cuba untuk menyentuh hal-hal sensitif bangsa Melayu seolah-olah mencabar kita semua.
Apabila hal begini berlaku, perasaan marah dan dendam bukanlah suatu yang patut dipupuk dengan apa yang berlaku. Penyebabnya yang perlu dicari. Kenapa?
Tak sedarkah kita perpecahan bangsa kita sekarang, bak dari segi parti orang Melayu UMNO atau lain-lain inilah yang menyebabkan bangsa kita sekarang dipandang enteng?
Masalah utama adalah dari situ. Apabila perpecahan bangsa Melayu terjadi, bangsa-bangsa lain akan cuba mengambil kesempatan cuba memperlecehkan kita, agama kita. Mereka menjadi kurang sensitif.
Apa yang penting sekarang ialah kita perlu kembali bersatu. Jgn gara-gara pergaduhan kita, maruah kita tergadai, negeri kita jadi milik orang.
Kalau kata kerajaan sekarang lemah, ayo bantulah kita memperkuatkan kerajaan dengan kembali membersihkan parti memerintah atau UMNO yang sudah banyak berjasa pada kita.
Bukan kita buang bila benda dah jadi sakit. Kita cuba rawat kembali.
Tak relevan, tak sokong Pak Lah, itu bukan alasan. Pak Lah bukan UMNO. Kalau Pak Lah rosakkan UMNO, bersatu ktia untuk merawat kembali parti keramat ini, bersatu jernihkan apa yang dah keruh.
Jgn biar negeri kita tergadai akibat perpecahan bangsa kita Melayu sendiri. Sedar tentang apa yg UMNO sudah pertahankan sekian lama, hak istimewa dan sebagainya.
Marah keterlaluan kalau orang cuba pertikai hak bukan jalan yang baik, guna peluang yang sementara ada untuk terus majukan diri ke tahap maksimal buat kemajuan bangsa sejagat.
Pemimpin Pelajar Kelab UMNO.
Thank you TUN,
Inilah yang saya tunggu-tunggu,comprehensive, straight to the point. Diharap Majlis Peguam mengambil maklum apa yang telah Tun huraikan di atas, self-explanatory.
Dan jika masih tidak faham, kami dah tak boleh kata apa-apa pun, maafkan kami jika kami "bertukar!!"
Terima kasih TUN MAHATHIR
salam tun,
Saya sokong !
Salam Tun
My salute to you sir,
for all your arguments, they only make your detractors more and more pathetic.
I believe that all Malaysians, including the members and the highest committees of the Malaysian Bar Council are bound to the Law of our country and our Constitution. Just because they didn't agree with you, Tun, over many subjects, does not mean they could abuse our Law their own way. Please teach them a lesson. Please bring a stop to all these ruckus and take appropriate actions against those insensitive to others.
But who would have the power to enforce these laws? Tun?
Of course it is the present government. My only hope is that they are not afraid to sacrifice their good name (like when they increased oil price) to do something to prevent racial tensions which in the end would not benefit anyone. Not the Malays. Not the Chinese. Not the Indians or the other races in our beloved country.
God save Malaysia.
Bila peguam Melayu-Islam nak lawan S. Ambiga?
Tunggu apa lagi..
" 20. If what we want is to be able to provoke people as a matter of right more than our own well-being and that of fellow citizens then be insensitive and have open debates by selected people whose views are already known, who are insensitive to the sensitivities of others but are very sensitive about their rights to be insensitive, whatever the cost to others and the country."....
...EXACTLY!!!
gitu lah bapak...kalo hanya nak pentingkan diri sendrik aper jer yg org lain buat n kata tak kena jer kat depa...depa nak org hormat depa tapi depa tak hormat diri sendrik jauh sekali nak hormat org lain....bapak takyah susah ati kat org yg nak kata hantu bukan hantu..nak kata org pun bukan org...sbb depa cuma pentingkan perasaan depa...perasaan org lain depa tak pedulik sket pun...boleh blah lah org mcm nih...kalo depa tak nak bertolak ansur dlm segala hal dlm negara nih p lah carik negara sendrik...dlm satu keluarga pun ada mende yg boleh di kongsi satu keluarga n ada yg hanya boleh di beritahu kpd 1/2 org jer..apa lg satu negara tentu mcm2 kerenah n permintaan penduduknyer....yg paling penting jgn jadik orang orangan...kena hina kena maki org benci pun duk senyum riang lagik..ish...mcm seseorang jer lak...dollah lat tu...
go2 bapak go...cheerssssssssssss......
jasa2 bapak hanya Allah saja lah yg dapat membalasnyer...muga Allah sentiasa memberkati merahmati melindungi bapak dr gangguan syitan n org2 yg berniat jahat n dengki khianat pd bapak n kuarga....
Salam Tun..
Terima kasih kerana membuka mata ramai rakyat Malaysia...terutamanya pengundi atas pagar...
A'kum YAB Tun Dr Mahathir.
Satu komen & pendapat yang menarik sekali.
Pandangan YAB Tun adalah benar. Sensitiviti kaum kita perlu dijaga.
Semoga Allah SWT memanjangkan usia YAB Tun.
'TUN DR MAHATHIR'
"DULU, KINI & SELAMANYA" Hidupppppp TUN.......
Dear Tun,
Assalamualaikum. With this sincere and crystal clear explanation, if these people are still not satisfied then it is obvious that they are bent on hurting and undermining the Malays and Muslims. The non-Malay and some Malay critics purposely choose to critise you despite the fact that you are clear in your previous piece because they hate you. I can't understand some of these critics because very often their comments sound very personal, like as if you have done something to them personally (Seperti, Tun pernah cucuk mata mereka).
Thank you,
Wassalam.
Assallammualaikum Tun,
Beberapa tahun sebelu ini, keadaan umumnya ok. Negara dalam keadaan terkawal. Walaupun ada beberapa suara yang cuba mencetuskan suasana tidak harmony, tetapi majority rakyat memilih untyuk mengekalkan keharmonian demi mencapai kestabilan.
beberapa kumpulan yang begitu aktif sekarang ini sebenarnya sudah banyak kali cuba meluahkan betapa mereka INGIN SANGAT DENGAN KEBEBASAN MUTLAK TANPA HALANGAN. Bagaimanapun keinginan mereka tesekat kerana ujudnya kerajaan yang bertanggungjawab mengawal dan menghadkan kebebasan agar kepentingan semua kaum terjaga, agar perkara yang sensitif tidak dijadikan bahan bualan murahan tanpa memikirkan sensitivity orang lain.
Keadaan kini berubah. Agak malang kerana pemimpin negara memilih untuk "menjadi popular' di mata sebahagian kecil masyarakat...golongan profesional yang kononnya memperjuangkan kesamarataan dan kebebasan mutlak. Pemimpin yang mementingkan popularity akhirnya menjadi pemimpin yang lemah dan menjadi bahan mainan. Pemimpin ini memilih untuk memenuhi kehendak sebilangan kecil orang dan pada masa yang sama tidak sedar bahawa tindakannya itu sebenarnya merupakan kepada permulaan untuk satu permasalahan yang lebih besar.
Negara berbilang kaum dan agama ini sebenarnya memerlukan pemimpin yang bijak, cerdas, pro-aktif, amanah, disegani dan juga perlu dilihat sebagai pemimpin yang amat berpengaruh dan berkuasa. Jika tidak memiliki ciri-ciri in i, pemimpin kita akan akhirnya membawa kepada permulaan kebinasaan yang amat dasyat dalam konteks perhubungan antara kaum dan agama dinegara ini.
Negara ini kini melihat satu persatu masalah dan ketidakpuasan hati berlaku, kepincangan , tohmahan, fitnah, rasuah, dan yang paling teruk kedudukan kerajaan yang kelihatan seperti tidak stabil akibatn kumpulan pembangkang yang memperjuangkan demokrasi kononya tetapi mahu menumbangkan kerajaan secara tidak demokratik. Agak sukar meramalkan keadaan negara ini pada maasa hadapan jika kedudukan ekonomi sosial dan politik negara amat tidak stabil. yang jelas, akibat dari semuanya ini, pertumbuhan ekonomi amat perlahan dan krisis keyakinan terhadap kerajaan semakin meninggi. Para pelabur juga semakin gusar dan tidak yakin dengan suasana politik dan kestabilan negara ini. Umumnya, semua melihat betapa negara ini sedang bergerak ke arah kemusnahan, malangnya pemimpin kerajaan dan para pemimpin pembangkan "secara bersama" melihat semua ini sebagai sesuatu yang amat positif.
BAR dan lain-lain kumpulan yang suka mengambil kesempatan sewajarnya membersihkan akal dan hati mereka dari berfikiran sebagai perosak keharmonian sosial negara ini. Adalah perlu bagi mereka meletakkan kepentingan negara mwelebihi kepentingan diri dan kelompok mereka. Mengatakan mereka tidak cukup matang dan kurang semangat kenegaraan mungkin agak keterlaluan. Tetapi menilai apa yang sedang berlaku sekarang seolah-olah mereka ini"umpama musuh dalam selimut" dan seperti bertindak merosak dan membinasakan negara kita bagi pihak negara luar.
Harapan kita akan muncul pemimpin yang boleh meletakkan semula negara ini ke landasan yang betul, soalnya siapa dan bila? Anwar pastinya bukan kerana ternyata orang ini lebihm banyak membawa kebinasaan dari membaiki dan membina. Di kalangan pemimpin UMNO sekarang? mungkin 6 atau 8 tahun dari sekarang barulah negara ini akan memiliki pemimpin seperti Tun Mahathir. Insyallah.
Salam.
Pada pendapat saya Majlis peguam sebenarnya mempunyai agenda politik mereka tersendiri apabila menengahkan banyak isu-isu sensetif terutamanya yang melibatkan pelbagai kaum. Ini bukan satu perkara yang menghairankan kerana jika dilihat keahlian majlis peguam sendiri, kebanyakan mereka terdiri daripada penyokong parti-parti pembangkang dan NGO yang bersifat perkauman yang tebal seperti DAP dan Hindraf.
Saya menyokong apa yang Tun katakan bahawa kebebasan bersuara dalam masyarakat majmuk di negara ini perlulah dikawal bagi mengelak berlakunya pertelingkahan kaum yang lebih serius yang boleh memusnahkan negara ini. majlis peguam juga perlu menilai diri mereka sendiri tentang apa sumbangan mereka terhadap pembangunan negara ini. Pada saya tiada apa jasa majlis ini yang boleh dibanggakan selain menimbulkan ketegangan dan menimbulkan isu-isu yang tidak menggambarkan majlis ini sebagai satu agensi yang profesional.
A'kum Tun Dr Mahathir
Komen yang teramat bernas... Sensitiviti kaum kita perlu dijaga
Kepada mu, Tun Dr Mahathir
'Dulu Kini & Selamanya' Hiduppppp TUN
Assalamualaikum..
Apa yg berlaku baru2 ini,jelas mencabar kesabaran org2 melayu.. terlintas di fikiran sy, knp tiada campur tgn dr pihak istana (DYMM Agung,Sultan2 & Raja)? .. Bukankah isu yg dibangkitkan sejak akhir2 ini cukup sensitif, cukup mendalam?
Ingin sy bertanya :
1.Apakah kuasa institusi beraja dlm menangani hal ini?
2.Apakah ada batasan(limit) utk mereka bersuara/bertindak?
3.Adakah apa yg berlaku ini merupakan langkah awal yg dibuat secara berperingkat oleh pihak2 tertentu utk menafikan hak2 org melayu & ajaran islam itu sendiri?
Maaf jika komen sy ini menyinggung mana2 pihak.
Salam Tun,
1. Agreed with you, Tun.
2. Everyone should read this article and think twice & understand the situation right now.
frm
Kaf Yaa Ain Sod Qaa Haa
Tun,
Kengkadang, 'orang besar-besar' ni buat begini semata-mata populariti. Bila dah popular, ada peluang masuk politik. Kalau tukang ambik gambar boleh jadi MP. Blogger boleh jadi MP. Takkan orang-orang besar yg banyak bagi 'pembaharuan' tak boleh jadi MP.
Tapi masalahnya, mereka tak fikirkan kesan jangka masa panjang. Yg penting popular dan...
Salams Tun,
Mereka tidak sensitif kerana kerajaan Pak Lah banyak beri muka kepada mereka semua ini. Mereka rasa, merekalah orang penting dalam membentuk Malaysia yang harmoni. Mereka rasa, dengan bersikap tidak sensitif, negara Malaysia akan aman. Mereka sememangnya silap dan sudah melampau. Keangkuhan mereka sudah terbongkar. Rakyat sudah tahu, mereka memang tak boleh pakai. Orang yang melampau seperti mereka ini sewajarnya kita ajar dia dengan cara terlampau juga, baru mereka sedar akan keterlampauan mereka itu.
Bar Council is so RUDE
Please mind others feeling
Please be more sensitive
Dont play with fire
U'll get burn...cekidout
Tun,
Your sentence "I believe not being able to discuss certain issues is a small price to pay for having stability and peace in this country"is the crux of the issue. In a multi racial nd multi religious country like Malaysia this is a little sacrifice we have to make in order to manintain peace in the country. I remember in a school trip some years back, we sang a song in the train coach about a Sikh boy's turban. The song was sang over and over again in the night and all of us just had a good laugh at his expense. When we reached our destination, he took the next train home. All of us thought it was just clean fun...not realizing it was sensitive to him. Many of us learnt a lesson in multicultural sensitivity that day many years ago. If we want to talk about rights, I would say all of us have a right to peace and stability, and along the way all of us have to exercise some restraint.
Thank Tun,
Once our community when having meeting or planning an occasion. We used to know better other races important day. Sunday morning Christian goes to Church. Friday noon Muslim pray, or Hari Gawai, Chinese new year have special place for Malaysisn worker.
It is sad now this sensitivity is lost. I was sad to hear some company did not know this issue any more. Set example a Semananjung company did not know that Gawai is a public holiday. International company worker is not longer recognising Friday noon is an exception off hour for Muslim to pray. School also now did not recognise Friday
noon.
The younger generation is not well aware of Harmony and Unity of people of Malaysia need. All they learn is academic.
I see from your blog you have address a lot of issue that in bullet form are really very good. You know people do not like reading.
Keep on writing issue to make young realise who we are and where we come from.
One thing I like this new administration of Badwi is to keep the internet open. I have no worry about the internet user, but those who is not exposed or new user to this new media is the problem. Most bloggers as I look at are open minded people and they express them self differently, But in this type write-up there is no feeling and word is taken it is. I have 30 years of internet use, but still I can get emotional about it.
Is there anything in the pipe line of Badawi administration to shut up the internet. This will be stupid move. Under stand your server is not local, Nothing they could do.
Malaysia internet use is the cheapest in the world.
Keep on writing.
Salams Tun.
As usual, another good piece. I like the part where you said.."After hundreds of years you insist on still being what you are." Now that they know the government under Mr.zzzzzzzzzzzz is weak, they want to be more than what they are... I think even in their countries of their own origin they can't get that much. Kalau betul betul nak Bangsa Malaysia, then there should only be one type of school. I have read about so many Chinese australians who can't even speak Chinese but they are ok with it and they don't insist on having Chinese schools there. There are those in Malaysia who are the ones who are not thankful with what they have.
assalamualaikum
Tun dan semua pengunjung chedet.com
Tulisan yang penuh kematangan.....
Bar Council sengaja cuba test power aja tu....
tahniah tun
wslm
Halim Mad Lazim
sintok.kdh
Stats Attack!!
from http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/bar_council_members.html
Bar Council Members 2008/2009
Malay 9
Non Malay 27
Total 36
No Name Race
1 Datuk Ambiga Sreenevasan (President) Non Malay
2 Mr. Ragunath Kesavan (Vice-President) Non Malay
3 Mr. Lim Chee Wee (Secretary) Non Malay
4 Mr. George Varughese (Treasurer) Non Malay
5 Pn. Hendon Mohamed Malay
6 Haji Sulaiman Abdullah Malay
7 Mr. Edmund Bon Non Malay
8 Datuk Muhammad Shafee bin Md Abdullah Malay
9 Datuk Hj. Kuthubul Zaman Bukhari Malay
10 Mr. Roger Tan Non Malay
11 Mr. Yeo Yang Poh Non Malay
12 Ms. Low Beng Choo Non Malay
13 Mr. Cecil Rajendra Non Malay
14 Cik Yasmeen bte. Hj. Muhamad Shariff Malay
15 Mr. Christopher Leong Non Malay
16 Mr. K. Mohan a/l K Kumaran (Johor) Non Malay
17 Mr Hisyam Teh Poh Teik (Johor) Malay
18 Mr. G. Balakrishnan (Kedah/Perlis) Non Malay
19 Mr. R. Kalianan Subramaniam (Kedah/Perlis) Non Malay
20 Datuk Sukri bin Haji Mohamed (Kelantan) Malay
21 Mr. Indran Rajalingam (Kelantan) Non Malay
22 Mr. Ravindra Kumar (Kuala Lumpur) Non Malay
23 Mr. Steven Thiruneelakandan (Kuala Lumpur) Non Malay
24 Mr. Ng Kong Peng (Melaka) Non Malay
25 Mr. R. R. Chelvarajah (Melaka) Non Malay
26 Mr. Paul Krishnaraja Selladurai (Negri Sembilan)Non Malay
27 Mr. Tony Woon Yeow Thong (Negri Sembilan) Non Malay
28 En. Syed Azimal Amir Bin Syed Abu Bakar (Pahang)Malay
29 Dato' Ramachelvam Manimuthu (Pahang) Non Malay
30 Mr. Murelidaran s/o M Navaratnam (Penang) Non Malay
31 Ms. Lalitha Menon (Penang) Non Malay
32 Mr. Shan Theivanthiran (Perak) Non Malay
33 Ms. Asbir Kaur Sangha (Perak Bar) Non Malay
34 Mr. Rajpal Singh a/l Mukhtiar Singh (Selangor) Non Malay
35 En. Anuwar B Mohd (Terengganu) Malay
36 Mr. Lee Leng Guan (Terengganu) Non Malay
Mana lawyer melayu yang lain? Tidur ka?
I think kebanyakkan rakyat sekarang sudah tak mahu Malaysia yang aman damai. Saya cabar awak, awak cabar saya, isu sensitif yang boleh pecah belahkan kaum diungkit. Mereka sengaja nak jadi Malaysia kacau bilau. Mereka selalu tengok kat tv tentang peperangan, street demonstrasi kat luar negara so mereka nak tasting tengok what its like kot. Lebih-lebih lagi "Ketua Street Demonstration" mereka yang bercita-cita nak jadi PM.For me I think sesiapa yang vote dia memang suka kekerasan dan anti peace. Pleaseeeee don't let him be PM.
Salam Tun,
Hairan juga orang bijak pandai macam BC masih kelabu. Bahasa yang Tun gunakan sangat mudah ( Majlis Peguam) tapi disebabkan keegoan mereka maka pintu hati mereka tertutup dengan sendiri.
Orang orang macam ini di dalam dunia ini jika Tun tulis atau cakap tak ikut kehendak hati mereka maka berkatalah mereka bahawa Tun racist. Dulu masa belajar mereka hanya fikir nak lulus supaya dapat ijazah undang undang sahaja yang lain mereka pekak sikit Tun.
Saya syorkan supaya Tun jangan peduli orang macam ini,dah cukup jelas penjelasan Tun dalam niat sebenar artikel ini. Lagi pun mereka ini liat nak mengkaji niat Tun selama ini.
Yang penting kami faham mesej Tun, kami lebih ramai dari BC ,dan jangan lupa anak buah kita dari UiTM seluruh tanah air bakal meneruskan jati diri anak MELAYU. Bravo UiTM....
salam.
salam tun,
saya tak dapat nak komen banyak tentang tulisan tun ni. serba cukup, tiada terkurang dan tiada terlebih. very inteligence writing. ayuh rakyat malaysia tak kira bangsa, bacalah tulisan tun ni panduan kita hidup harmoni.
saya tertanya2, bolehkah paklah menulis seperti ini..
Dear Tun Dr Mahathir,
thanks for willing to stand up for other races.
Thank U TDM
Teruskan menulis Tun kami menyokong TDM
Perjuangan Mu belum selesai.
Penulisan Mu membuka mata semua.
TQ tun. Harap panjang Umur supaya kami rakyat dapat menumpang teduh
YABhgg. Tun,
Salam hormat. Saya tidak faham kenapa Majlis Peguam banyak sangat komplen...
I dont understand why they could not appreciate what we have in this country. Are they the unfortunate group in this country. In fact the members of the Malaysian Councils are the fortunate groups. They make a lot of money and they should help unfortunate Malaysians. Behave like the doctors. Malaysians will appreciate you.
Y.A.Bhg. Tun,
Thank you again for putting the truth foward so succintly. Some people think they have a manopoly on sensitivity. In this country the Malays despite being the deprived majority are very sensitive about the sensitivities of the other races here. Go into any kampung and invariably if there is sundry shop owned by a chinese family, the Malay comunity there will band over backwards to make the former feel at home. And this happens all the time anywhere and everywhere. Indians too anywhere and the everywhere are given the same courtesy. So there is unity and the country has prospered until lately. Now there seems to exist a conserted effort by some who think that they know best to lord it all over the rest and derai the good will established among the races in this country. The leaders of the bar caouncil should really leave this country and practise elsewhere. We would all be better off without these pretenders.
Dear Y.A.Bhg Tun,
Just like the name pf their association itself, The Bar Council. All them presented and attended the forum deserved to be put behind "bars" for being seditious to Islam and Malays.
I like this blog
http://www.miricommunity.net/
This is where those young guys have their feeling and a lot of info for Miri available here. Some time I feel a bit bad about some issue discusse. I sometime get in a heaty argument. But realising these are young people who express their feeling. It good to know how they feel. And I know it where they release their feeling. They could write bad but mean well.
I would say the stage of internet use in sarawak is wery well quite a matured. Like wise once my discussion area is the Sarawak talk, that is already block. I mean people just talking in the net, of course there are also people who purposely instigate people. That we cannot avoid. It better people are well inform than getting rumour.
Keep you writing these young generation need a well informed of the situation. Not that Hu ha Hu politic. I did not hear anything discussed on what to do after the oil price increase. Just alot of involment of Anuar and Atantuya case. If noting done wring why worry..Go ahead with planning and way forward..Let the relevant department (Police and security people)deal with it.
Assalamualikum Tun sekeluarga.
Saya sependapat Tun tentang isu "Majlis Peguam"
lihatlah kebanyakkan ahli-ahlinya siapa ?
Boring dengan dia orang ini
Salam Tun,
Membaca Blog Tun mengimbau kembali zaman kegemilangan Malaysia sewaktu Tun menjadi PM.
Sedih dengan apa yg kita lalui sekarang.
Terima Kasih Tun.
Dearest Tun,
Tun said:
“9. The non-Malays in Malaysia have a lot of sensitive issues too. We cannot touch on them. We would be accused of being racist, being insensitive, provocative and offensive.”
I totally agree with Tun. As always, you ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You are still the best. In addition, Tun is an excellent author.
If we want people to be sensitive to our own feelings, then by right we shall also show some acceptable level of sensitivity towards others’ feelings. Please WALK THE TALK.
May Allah SWT bless Tun and family.
I pledge to defend your opinion in this issue, same as my previous post when you bashed the forum organization. Even I am non-Malay but I learnt to respect others privacy and sensitive issues.
Assalammualaikum
Tun yang dihormati,
Tun akan sentiasa dikenang atas jasa-jasa, pemikiran-pemikiran, keberanian dan semangat Tun.
Saya membesar dengan Tun sebagai Perdana Menteri Malaysia.
Saya hanya ingin Tun tahu bahawa saya berasa sedih, kecewa, takut dan marah dengan keadaan negara sekarang.
Tapi, saya berasa lebih sedih, kecewa, takut dan marah bila memikirkan keadaan negara pada masa akan datang.
hmm..so..apa jalan yang kita ada untuk memperbaiki keadaan..
kita membincangkan isu..tetapi..apa pilihan jalan penyelesaian..
kenapa kita tak utarakan atau cadangkan sesuatu..
Thank you Tun..
Brilliant article.
I'm the member of the Malaysian Bar but I don't agree with their agenda.
Salam buat Tun serta Keluarga,
Saya rasa Majlis Peguam tak salah. Yang bersalah adalah Zahid. Majlis Peguam tak kan berani buat yang bukan2 kalau Zahid tak sokong dan beri lampu hijau.
Sekarang saya rasa Pak Lah pun dah mula menyampah kat Zahid. Menyesal dia ambik Zahid jadi menteri. Hari2 Pak Lah marah Zahid. Zahid pun dah malu nak jumpa dengan Pak Lah. Sebab tu Zahid diam aja sekarang. Sebab takut, entah2 dia dah lari keluar negeri tak?
Hehehe...
Hidup Tun!
Assalamualaikum Tun & seluruh surfer chedet.com yang beragama islam,
saya setuju 101% tulisan tun, mereka ni tak faham2 lah. Perkara ini terjadi disebabkan:-
1). Pemimpin sekarang tidak tahu mencari apa puncanya. MPN adalah badan pengembang.
2). Bangsa melayu sepatutnya sudah ubah perangai dan sikap:-
- pemalas
- suka berangan2
- semua mahu senang
- alibaba
- minahbabu
3). Bangsa india dan china tidak sedar diri. Mereka tahu mereka bukan bumiputera negeri ini. Bangsa cina adalah pelarian boat dimana pada masa itu mereka terpaksa lari kerana ketakutan, lapar, mengganggur, ekonomi merosot dll. Dengan berbekalkan cuma sehelai sekain dan seluar mereka lari ke tanah melayu tanpa wang. India juga sama cuma mereka dibawa kemari oleh penjajah. Kedua-dua bangsa ini miskin asalnya dan bukan islam. Tetapi walaupun begitu, Dato, nene dan generasi bapa kita menerima mereka dengan hati terbuka dan kasihan serta simpati.
4). Dengan kemahiran yang ada mereka mencari pekerjaan dan perniagaan. Yang pandai cucuk tanam mereka berniaga sayur2an. Yang mahir berniaga pula selepas itu, mereka berniaga dan mendapat untong yang besar kerana melayu malas, tidur dan sempit akal.
5). apabila bangsa I&C (india and cina) ini telah diterima, mereka ini menuntut hak mereka pula. dimana tuntutan2 mereka adalah melebihi dan keterlaluan dari kaum pendatang dinegara2 amerika, europe, australia dll.
6). Sekarang mereka telah sedar PM tidur adalah lemah dan kesempatan ini tidak disia2kan. DAri hindraf ke Majlis peguam dan bermacam2 lagi agenda akan datang telah disusun rapi bagi menggempur atas kebodohan bangsa kita. Sekarang siapa yang patut dipersalahkan. Jawabannya tentu si tua banggak yang tidak sedar diri asal keturunan baba melaka. Dia telah kita suruh berhenti dengan terhurmat tetapi bencana yang dimahukannya. Apa c tidur ini tidak mengerti kebinasaan, pembunuhan, keganasan yang akan berlaku apabila sensitiviti kaum diapi2kan. Step down lah bahlul kaitul!!!!
7). Bangsa kita juga terlalu membagi muka kepada si kaling kapal sink (Karpal Sing) loyar buruk DAP ini. Lim giat siang (Lim Kit Siang) telah siang2 hari ambil kesempatan. Malam pula dia makan ba*i.
8). Untok memajukan bangsa kita semula, bangsa kita mesti pandai dalam semua bidang dan tanpa berharap kepada bangsa IC. Marilah kita halau mereka dari negeri ini dan kita hidup hanya sebangsa sahaja. Luncai menyeru kita pulaukan barang2 yang dijual oleh bangsa IC ini. Kerana barang2 mereka adalah haram untok dibeli. Sabda rasulullah s.a.w yang kurang lebih bererti - "orang islam adalah haram membeli barang2 orang kafir selagi ada orang islam yang menjualnya". Mufti2, ustaz2, guru2 agama sepatutnya menghilight perkara ini kepada umat islam.
9) Melayu takkan hilang di dunia. walaupun melayu mudah lupa kerana inlah dilema melayu. Tetapi kita tetap islam.
tun,
you got a typo. "handsomely"
i agree with you. this should be common sense, and not something that needs to be spelt out for us.
can posts like these be published in the papers? i think it will challenge people's thinking on sensitivity and "what's good for them might not be good for us".
Tun,
Very logical analogy! There's not point having full freedom but the country destroyed in the process.
salam,
Item 10, 11 and 12 are the items that failed to be think of by youth nowadays who really a big fan of freedom of speech...
These lawyer might excel in Law papers and books examination... Did they attend the Life Lesson class. It is called history.
-Angry Boon-
It is clearly showing the "inferior feeling" of letting a conference. It was not just a conference.
A good country leader will always "calm and stabilise" a situation in a country.
Whenever a country leader could not calm and stabilise a country, he is not fitting.
Look at Singapore and Indonesia, there is real freedom.
Look at Singapore, the muslim there is free to convert. But how many muslim convert to other faith? It is not easy to convert. It is a process.
By saying it is sensitive, you are showing inferior of letting a meeting to go on.
If you had said, let the conference go on and let's see what is the outcome.
Before you see the food, you have already stopped the cook from cooking. How are you going to taste the food?
You do not let the cook to cook but stopping the cook to cook, you are showing inferior that the cook will cook better than you cook.
Salam Tun yang sentiasa dihormati
Your writing is as fresh and sharp as ever and how i wish the current PM is a good and clever as you are.
Agree with some of the previous comments, jangan sampai the Malays "bertukar".
For 50 years we have been very patient with the non Malays. One race infact became the richest race in this country, but they never stop asking for more and more.
For the Malays please wake up.
Allahu akbar
Semoga Tun dan keluarga sentiasa dilindungi dan dirahmati Allah.
Dear TUN,
SPOT ON !
Everyone please note point #14.
Dear Ayahanda Tun
I'm laughing by the time I finished reading the article. You sure have a way of saying things. I do agree with you 100%. But I do hope that we have a way of making these people really understand what is sensitive meant. I don't think they understand enough that's why they always want to create havoc in Malaysia. Can we sent these people back from where there really come from?????
Hope God bless you always.
Salam buat Tun dan seluruh Malaysia,
Majlis peguam jadi lagu ni di sebakkan menteri yang jaga undang undang Zaid brahim ni tak sensitif dengan agama Islam.Dollah ni dia ambil dalam lubuk mana tak tahu,Tiba tiba jadi menteri,pelek we amba.
Tapi ambo rasa Dato zaid ni tak lebeh dari robot saja,apa tuan dia suruh dia buatlah.bow la jadi robot jadi Zaid Ibrahim lagi baik.
Sebenar nya ambo ni dulu sangat kagum dengan Dato Zaid.
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TUN,
Kenyataan TUN benar dan tepat sekali.
Dalam hidup berbagai kaum, kita harus menjaga perasaan semua kaum yang ada di Malaysia. Dari sini kita dapat mengujudkan perpaduan kaum, yang merupakan jambatan eams dalam membentuk Negara yang aman, makmur, sejahtera dan Maju.
Sudah 50 tahun lebih baru kini kita mendengar semua ini..
Jelasnya adalah Pemimpin-pemimpin negara yang lemah. Menteri tidak dapat menjaga dan melaksanakan tanggung jawab dalam mengelakkan perkara ini berlaku.
Ini jelas kuasa pemimpin sudah berkurang di Parlimen, pembangkang sudah berani mempersoalkannya.
Pemimpin pun harus punya sensivity, rakyat dah bosan dengan pemimpin yang ada, Bila terhantu baru mengelabah....!!! Semua nak di betulkan namum semua serba tak kena.
Sedarlah, antara kepentingan politik dan kepentingan hak orang Melayu.
http://isteri-mamak-tua.blogspot.com
_ashar_
Angkatan Lancang Kuning Nusantara
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TUN,
Kenyataan TUN benar dan tepat sekali.
Dalam hidup berbagai kaum, kita harus menjaga perasaan semua kaum yang ada di Malaysia. Dari sini kita dapat mengujudkan perpaduan kaum, yang merupakan jambatan eams dalam membentuk Negara yang aman, makmur, sejahtera dan Maju.
Sudah 50 tahun lebih baru kini kita mendengar semua ini..
Jelasnya adalah Pemimpin-pemimpin negara yang lemah. Menteri tidak dapat menjaga dan melaksanakan tanggung jawab dalam mengelakkan perkara ini berlaku.
Ini jelas kuasa pemimpin sudah berkurang di Parlimen, pembangkang sudah berani mempersoalkannya.
Pemimpin pun harus punya sensivity, rakyat dah bosan dengan pemimpin yang ada, Bila terhantu baru mengelabah....!!! Semua nak di betulkan namum semua serba tak kena.
Sedarlah, antara kepentingan politik dan kepentingan hak orang Melayu.
http://isteri-mamak-tua.blogspot.com
_ashar_
Angkatan Lancang Kuning Nusantara
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Salam Tun,
1. Since we can live with harmony & peace in this country without any tension, why now certain people try to play the sensitive issue.
REMEMBER!!!!! This the is end result as mentioned by Tun..you have a choice ? PEACE or VIOLENCE
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12. The end result must be tension between the races in Malaysia which may lead to violence, continuous violence. Lives may be lost and property destroyed. """"
Once this thing happen, it is too late to turning back.
Kaf Yaa Ain Sod Qaa Haa
Assalamualaikum Tun,
You've explained it very clearly. If the bar council still doesn't get it, well to me it means that they have ulterior motives.
Anyway freedom of speech is another western concept that people in the east simply embrace without being critical of it. The problem with freedom of speech is that no boundries or limitations are included in the definition.
Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights defines freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression" Where's the limit to this? Under this pretext, you can insult other people religion or race and get away with it. You can even call a black man 'nigger' and says its freedom of speech.
The only real 'freedom of speech' is the right to speak the truth.
The meaning of the word truth extends from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular.(Webster dictionary)
- Honesty, good faith and sincerity; well nobody can comment on this with regard to the bar council
- Agreement with fact or reality in particular; The fact is malaysia is a multiracial and multireligion country. The fact is with have 2 system of law, the syariah and civil. The reality is if this delicate multiracial and multireligion balance is tempered with, chaos will ensues. This will lead to violence and destruction. It has happened in the past.
To sum up; message to the bar council and their supporters is that not everything from the west is good,including freedom of speech, be analytical, think, do your reading etc etc. On the other hand you're definitely not speaking for the truth as you failed to fulfill the criterias as discussed above.
Finally Tun you've spoke the truth, which the best kind of speech there is.
Abû Hurayrah relates that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should speak a good word or remain silent. And whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should show hospitality to his neighbor. And whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should show hospitality to his guest.” [ Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim ]
I think this hadith nicely sums up the how relationships between muslims and muslims and non muslims in Malaysia should be.
Take care, may Allah bless you Tun
Tun,
that's how malaysian treat you. everytime you make a statement, malaysian would always twist them to say that you're the culprit of all this turmoil in malaysia. but believe us Tun, these coward voices, are just a piece of dirt that can be wipe off with tissue. they are so little but somehow they are loud.dont forget Tun, you have the voice of majority of malaysian. we keep our voices down because we know the true power of us.
Perjuangan belum selesai Tun. Hidup Tun!
Tak payah layan la Majlis Peguam Malaysia tu Tun. Sekarang ni apa yg mereka fikir betul dan patut dibuat, mereka akan buat. Sebabnya, kerajaan skrg lemah. Tak mampu nak kontrol mereka ini (dan jugak kumpulan2 yg lain). Klu masa Tun memerintah dulu, ada ke yg berani bersuara isu2 sensitif ni? Sebab tu dlm apa2 keadaan pun, kerajaan yg memerintah (terutamanya pemimpin no 1) kena kuat, berani ambil pendirian dan berani membuat keputusan. Dlm keadaan skrg, klu masalah dalaman negara pun tak selesai, macam mana nak memacu negara ke depan? Bagaimana nak makmurkan negara?
Btw, Majlis Peguam Malaysia ni tak ada ke org Melayu dlmnya? Rasanya ramai loyar Melayu di Malaysia ni. Ataupun semua loyar Melayu ni hanya mampu jadi loyar buruk je?
Way to go Tun!
The reason the Bar Council is doing what they are doing these days is because they know they can get-a-way with it. How can they accomplish this? By having a stupid and weak-ass leader like Pak Lah, thats how!
Tun yg dikasihi,
Amat benar apa yg diperkatakan Tun.
They simply acused the Malay as racist if we start trying to explain to their raised issues. They will become aggresif once we start explaining it and they will used retaliation as the reason for their aggression. it happened because of lack of sensitiveness which are currently being demonstrate perfectly by the bar council..
We defend our right with sensitivity to others but it seems that others are not even care to do the same. the red 13 May experience did teach us a lot. However, it majorly involved between the 2 races only. we will try to avoid this and hopefully this will not be our last choice that we have since we cannot rely on Pak lah and Pak Lah's appointed leader!!
I am very sad to see how our sleeping leader doing nothing to at least loosen our anxiety....
Resakse
This is just brilliant!!!
Assalamualaikum, Tun.
Point 13 is spot on. Right of free speech and freedom of expression cannot outweigh the right to security and peace. If the former right is respected at the expense of the latter, then it is a contradiction in principle of democracy, and will lead to a lot of problems not intended in s civil society.
I am worried with the the rise of the Bar Council, that considers itself to be more powerful than the 3 branches (executive, judiciary, and legislative). It is ridiculous that the elected reps from BN and PR today are kowtowing to this (forgive my language, Tun) unelected, undemocratic, elitist, arrogant, condescending group. I fear that we heading the way of feudalism, where these neo-aristocrats will undoubtedly make our lives miserable.
Maybe Jesus was right when he spoke of lawyers. (Luke 11:52, "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."
Tun,
Keep on writing on any issues that will enlighten us as a younger generation. We don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how weak today's government is and as a result, the Bar Council is becoming more and more 'FREE' to talk about a lot of sensitive issues in our beloved country. I'm not Malays but I have always have a good friendship with them.
I was just wondering if they (Bar Council) will soon talk about our privilege as Sarawakian. I strongly agree if those involved in the 'OPEN DOOR' forum (of BAR COUNCIL) on the sensitive issues be put under ISA. Are they not appreciative enough to live in our beloved country that used to be so CALM and PEACEFUL?
Ask them to name any multi-racial country like MALAYSIA.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF from the country...maybe there's a greener pasture somewhere for them..
Banyak perkara yang sebelum ini rakyat tidak mengetahuinya.....ARB Dagang
Dear Tun,
U always the best. Excellent writing indeed.
Luv u always
I do not think Queen Elizabeth would have been very accommodating of Saudi sensitivities, if she is expected to cover herself up in accordance to Saudi customs every day and not only when visiting Saudi Arabia.
Therein lies the problem and the flaw in your logic, TDM. In this case Queen Elizabeth is not only expected to subject to Saudi sensitivities day in, day out, 24/7, but she is not allowed to so much as even inquire about and examine their nature. Muslim sensitivities encompass almost every aspect of life, and the citizens of a multiracial country is expected to be subjected to these sensitivities without dissent. Whether deliberately or otherwise, to paint a legal and civilized discourse as insensitive provoking and to threaten to retaliate with violence, is nothing short of barbaric.
Good write-up Tun,
As far as I'm concerned the bar council seems to be did it on purpose although they know the issues is too sensitive to discuss openly. That why they arrogantly refused to cancel the forum at first place although thousands of peoples condemns them directly including the Ministers.
YAB Tun,
Thank you once again for writing and sharing your thought and experience. It is indeed an eye opener especially for those people who think they knows a lot, cleverer than most people, who could solve all the problems in the world and claiming to be the champion of the people.
I would like to share my experience during my tour of duty in one of our neighbouring countries. I was stationed in an area known as 'conflict affected area (CAA)', where the so called son-of- the land people has been fighting for their right to self govern for more than 4 decades.
I couldn't believe how bad the situation was until I saw it with my own eyes. Most of these people are Muslims! They have no proper basic amenities. Their houses are made of bamboo with atap, no proper toilets, drinking water and no proper road. Health is expensive. There is no such thing as public hospital. One has to pay to see a doctor just to get his prescription before buying the medicine at the pharmacy. If one has no money, one is deprived of medical treatment.
The masses there dream about peace, but they have been dreaming for a long long time and it seems that peace is such a long time coming. That part of the country is very fertile with lots of business opportunities. Alas, no investors are willing to spend their money there. The reason? Conflict area and no political stability. How blessed and lucky I am to be born and raised in a country called Malaysia!
Here we are, for the past 50 years, have been enjoying peace. For God's sake and for the sake of our future generations please do not sacrifice peace just to satisfy your personal agenda.
Remember the motto 'Unity Is Strength'? Malaysia used to be a Role Model as an Islamic and a developing country and an envy to lots of other developing countries. I am not too sure if that is still true now. Once we are divided, we will be weak.
To all Malaysian, think soberly wih your head and not your heart. Pelase do not destroy the peace foundation that has been laid down by our forefathers just to satisfy certain minority group at the expense of the majority who loves peace.
Tun yang di hormati,
Bar Council mungkin banyak isu yang hendak di bincangkan. Isu-isu ini mungkin terlalu 'penting' bagi mereka sehingga sanggup mengadakan forum ini juga walaupun ada bangkangan dan desakan dari umum agar tidak membuatnya pada masa ini.
Mungkin Bar Council ada membuat penerangan, tapi rasanya sebahagian besar rakyat rasa nya tidak dimaklumkan atau tidak mengetahui tentang kepentingan perkara ini.
Terima kasih
Dear Tun,
I am chinese and my parents come from China. I love malaysia and this is my home nowhere else. Respecting from all races is our responsibility and to sacrifice is such a small price to pay. Look at southern Thailand and certain parts of indonesia and the problems they face. We must not take the peace for granted but to value, treasure and cherish it. We do not want to lose the good work Tun had worked so hard for. Thank you Tun and really appreciate your wisdom. Thanks again
Salam sejahtera, dear Tun,
Semalam semasa membaca komen pembaca mengenai artikel Tun yg pertama tentang Bar Council, saya juga perasan ramai yg tidak faham, atau sengaja tidak mahu faham, apa yg Tun tuliskan.
Mereka seperti menutup segala pencaindera mereka daripada cuba memahami keadaan sebenar. Mereka seperti setuju amalan budaya tekanan untuk mendapatkan apa yang dihajati.
Adalah merugikan, Tun, bila budaya mengenakan tekanan ini diamalkan secara leluasa...
Teruskan menulis, Tun. Di bawah pimpinan Tun, rakyat Malaysia telah celik. Tetapi sekarang mereka keliru. Semoga kebijaksanaan Tun menangani perkara berbangkit dapat menyatukan semula kami..
Salam
Tun..bukan main lagi bila dakwaan Hakim Chin tentang Tun..cepatnya suruh ambil tindakan tapi bila Tun bagi tau kes Hakim Chin...senyap jea sampai sekarang.....Majlis Peguam nie semuanya mcm ULAR Tun..lidah bercabang...
Spot on
Malaysia is a salad bowl not a melting pot
Malays can never eat babi or when babi on table, sell liquor or gambling entertainment etc while non malays can never live their lives in office the islamic/malay way or allow abolishment of non malay school
its a fact. The NEP still works. No such thing as freedom to say anything. Certain things should remain to ourselves
Pak Lah GEt Out!
First of all, it is a great honour to receive an email signed by you, although it is only a request for confirmation.
With great sadness I do not know what went wrong in time but I my mother, father and the elderly in my family have wrong perception against you.
Whatever that goes wrong in the country, they said it started with you and by you.
On the other hand they are also fair and just. As whatever development and richness that you have created, they appreciate and praise you for that.
So, sometime they are happy with you but sometime they are angry because of you. It is very confusing actually.
So talking about sensitivity, if I utter a wrong comment, it will result of me being lectured for hours and all my appointments will be cancelled.
I do not where it is coming from, but Malaysians are producing more cholerics now days. We are angry about everything.
If you mentioned "Anwar" somebody will be shouting and very emotional.
It continues with "Najib", "Pak Lah", "Mahathir", "water", "electricity", "rice", "fuel", etc.
Malaysians are today very irrational.
And in this choleric and irrational climate that Malaysian is living today nothing would be solved and nothing will be achieved except for personal glory.
It is just like playing footbal where every body is playing wrong, if you feel that you can score a goal alone, just do it. At least if you loose 8 to 1, the one goal is scored by you.
The hatred and blaming will not stop until may be 2020, it is a different kind of Malaysia all together. Not like the founding fathers intended.
In this wind of change Malaysians has to change to adapt especially Malays. Whoever adapt the fastest will reap whatever benefits there is. In protecting the interest of races especially Malays, the government must be more creative.
For example, in order to maintain this country to be "Tanah Melayu", the Malays must force themselves to buy land and not selling them. If most Malays are buying Strata Title Houses, how can we maintain the word "Tanah Melayu".
Assalamualaikum Tun,
Dearest Tun,
That was a wonderful piece of writing explaining not only your view but that of millions of Malaysians.
We too agree with the Tun that the issue was arrogance and insensitivity and nothing else.
Take care of your health Tun
Regards
Assalamualaikum Tun Mahathir,
The bar council try to use their power on other matter rather to finish their dam lousy latecase problem.This people will do no good to us.
They abuse power.Sack them,lousy Bar council head and the minister.They are people who will bring more problem than good thing.
Tun you bring us the best way of life dont let them destroy our lovely country.
WHO DISCRIMINATES WHO?
http://writtenbyhim.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/racist/
DATUK AMBIGA PATUT LETAK JAWATAN
http://writtenbyhim.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/bar-council-make-your-voice-valuable/
Dear Tun,
As far as I read the news (both the online and offline), the BAR wanted to have open forum on conversion to Islam, there is nothing there to talk about Malay rights.
We the non-Islam, need to know the system, law and issue created by someone converting to Islam, again, we are not saying that conversion to Islam should be blocked, but merely to explain and talk this issue so that no-more-fighting-for-dead body.
I agree if someone wanted to convert to Islam, but the system, procedure is not clear, that cause a lot of problem. Husband converted go to one court, wife another court, children go where.... explain this.
The BAR wanted to talk about this. It must be OPEN so the people will know.
Now, tell me where they touched about right to Malay?
I for the one person will always say, the right for Malay MUST be protected in order to ensure the whole system is stable.
All what is happening is now, the BN, is playing the racist card again to gain control. (same case the UiTM, the MB was proposing only for the betterment of Malays, but all the hell-broke)
If my Malay friend(s) fail to see this, then I am more sorry then their are.
Hati.Malaysia
Salam semua.
Mintak maaf terlupa satu point. Masa Ian Chin mula2 melemparkan tuduhan pengecut dari Bench terhadap Tun, Chairman Bar Council dan Karpal Singh buat laporan Polis terhadap Tun. Lepas Tuan hentam balek Ian Chin Karpal Singh syorkan tindakan diambil keatas Ian Chin, tapi tak dengar apa2 komen dari Bar Council Chairman(woman).
Apa dah jadi keatas Laporan Polis berkenaan. Boleh saman dak tentang buat laporan palsu, biaq depa dok dalam pulak. Sorang tu kena tahanan ISA ada, tapi tak pernah masuk jel, yang sorang lagi tak pernah kena apa2 lagi kot.
Tapi KERAjaan sekarang tak terpakai, pemimpinnya adalah terdiri dari orang2 pekak, tuli,buta dan bisu.
Bila nak melingkup pun tak tau la.
thank your very much to TUN....
Hak org melayu x boleh d pertikai kan sama sekali.
org melayu adalah rakyat pribumi yg telah lama bertapak d tanah melayu.Ini d bukti kan oleh sejarah...iaitu dr mulanya kedatangan parameswara. bagaimana pula dengan sebelum kedatangan parameswara ke tanah melayu?
berbeza pula dengan org cina dan india. mereka adalah rakyat bukan bumiputera, dgn erti kata lain. hak mereka bukan d beri keutamaan. tetapi, hak mereka juga x diabaikan. ini dibuktikan dgn adanya parti MCA & MIC. isu Islam x boleh d pandang remeh.... Malaysia adalah negara islam yg rasmi. oleh itu, isu agama islam x boleh d persendakan atau d pandang ringan. jika zaman dahulu. perjuangan manusia adalah perjuangan menyebarkan agama.
Maka berhati-hati ketika berhujah mengenai isu MELAYU dan ISlam.
Berbeza sekali dengan kehidupan org barat. kita x boleh menyamai mereka. perbezaan kaun dan agama d malaysia menjadikan melaysia satu negara yg perlu kepimpinan yg peka dan juga mengikuti kehendak rakyat semasa.
-pena^Kecil-
Tun M is quoting "SOB (Son of a B***h)"???? coolll!!!!!!hidup tun!!!
This is an excellent article. Tun, you really wrote this? It is excellent! Now I know why you can become PM of Malaysia for 22 years. Sigh...I wished I'd known you better when you were active PM bringing changes to Malaysia. Then perhaps I can offer assistance...I must admit sadly that I had quite a different and wrong perception of you when you were PM simply because you were not 'available' to me as a person, as it is possible in this blog. I did not know you as a person..only what the papers say and what the televisions showed.
Asalamualaikum whbk Tun,
Yeah! This is a great advise. Let Malaysia be a unique country all along. There is no other Malaysia in the universe. Malaya later Malaysia comes from the word "Malay". The Malay Archievepelago is much bigger and consist of all land situated in South East Asia and this include Thailand and Combodia. The Malay should be proud of themselves to allow their motherland shared with other races and yet still very consern to the sensitivity of others. Please...be fair...what is not yours belong to others.Let us live in harmony...go to hell with the "racist" and please put the down no matter what is the price!! ISA should be all right.
Dear Tun and fellow Malaysian,
After evaluating everything that’s happening now and for the last few months in Malaysia, as I said in my previous comment in your post on Demokrasi, freedom of speech in the first place shouldn’t have been allowed.
I think everyone knew how big the media’s role is in influencing people’s thinking. And if the media wrote something good or bad about certain parties, most people just blindly trust whatever they read. But not everybody…
See, now we don’t only have the media to direct the way we think, but we also have these new blooming, sharp-tongued BLOGGERS. As much as I want to think that these people are providing the true, uncensored information about current issues, I also could not help realizing that they in one way or another provoke the racial sentiments in our community at large. Don’t get me wrong. I have so much respect for you Tun and I understand that chedet.com is one of the channels for you to reach the widely BN-misled Malaysian.
The foundation of the entire problem today is the weak leader of course. The bar council is doing nothing except for taking advantage of the situation. We were not ready, are not ready and will never be ready to discuss sensitive issues out in the open. As a Malaysian, if we really do love and respect our country we should’ve understood that.
NO to freedom of speech. We are not mature, forgiving, tolerating and considerate enough for that.
You still have a choice. If London is good, immagrate there. Isn't this is fair enough!
17. But ours is not. Ours is multi-ethnic country where assimilation has not taken place. After hundreds of years you insist on still being what you are. Still for 50 years we managed to remain stable without the kind of conditions imposed by developed countries on new citizens.
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They refuse to become true Malaysians and yet they want themselves to be treated equaly.